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Quick Question To Watch Enthusiasts

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by af1snaikboi, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. MBreinin

    MBreinin Senior member

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    Straying yet further OT but I can't quite let this pass. There is nothing whatsoever in the OP's post to suggest he "wants to break into the realm of mechanical timepieces" - he wants a nice dress watch.

    I don't think I'll ever understand this inexplicable disdain for quartz that some watch enthusiasts seem to possess. To suggest that only a few highly complicated or vintage quartz watches are worth an enthusiast owning seems ridiculous to me. Even a perfectly ordinary 2nd generation quartz movement in a nice watch can be appealing with its accuracy and low maintenance; and there are so many non-ordinary quartz watches available!

    To pick a real world example, at a realistic price point, what is more horologically interesting - yet another unfinished, unmodified, cased 2824 automatic; or Seiko's unique 196kHz quartz 8F with its perpetual calendar and high accuracy? How about the thermocompensated ETA quartz movements fitted to most Breitlings and accurate to within 10 seconds per year? Citizen's A610 that is more accurate still? The Seiko 9F that is built as a hermetically sealed unit for longevity? ... To say that these wonderful quartz timepieces are not to your personal taste - fine, but to suggest they are automatically unappealing to a watch enthusiast does them (and your fellow watch enthusiasts) a disservice.


    He said specifically "the starter dress watch for watch enthusiasts." That to me means, "a low priced mechanical dress watch." Since watch "enthusiasts" are not enthusiastic about quartz watches for the most part.

    Some of these you have mentioned are worth owning, as are Spring Drive Kinetics, the B&R "bomb squad," which I have always admired for its toughness and appearance, as well as some others. However, when one says "enthusiast" they mean mechanical...unless you a Quartz enthusiast, of which there are some.

    Mike
     
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    v1100110 Well-Known Member

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    Are there any watched in the $100 price range that would work for a guy with really small wrists? I've stayed away from owning watches just because I can't find one that really works with the size of my arm. Just haven't been able to find anything, is the Swatch Auto a big watch?
     
  3. MBreinin

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    Are there any watched in the $100 price range that would work for a guy with really small wrists? I've stayed away from owning watches just because I can't find one that really works with the size of my arm. Just haven't been able to find anything, is the Swatch Auto a big watch?

    Most vintage watches tend to be smaller. A 36-38mm watch was considered oversized until recently. Now, that is "small." You can find plenty of 30-34mm men's vintage watches that will work for you.

    E-Bay.

    Mike
     
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    v1100110 Well-Known Member

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    Any brands to look for/stay away from?
     
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    Any brands to look for/stay away from?

    It really depends on your needs, uses, price range, snob appeal, etc.
     
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    He said specifically "the starter dress watch for watch enthusiasts." That to me means, "a low priced mechanical dress watch." Since watch "enthusiasts" are not enthusiastic about quartz watches for the most part.

    Some of these you have mentioned are worth owning, as are Spring Drive Kinetics, the B&R "bomb squad," which I have always admired for its toughness and appearance, as well as some others. However, when one says "enthusiast" they mean mechanical...unless you a Quartz enthusiast, of which there are some.

    Mike

    Well, we'll have to agree to disagree I guess. Though I can't help wondering why one can't just be a watch enthusiast - I like mechanicals too.

    Oh, to correct the mistake I just noticed - I meant to say Citizen A660 of course, not A610. Perhaps I was mentally combining it with the E510; another fine high-end quartz movement. [​IMG]
     
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    Any brands to look for/stay away from?

    Well, the "Big" houses like Patek, Audemars, Vacheron, IWC, Rolex, etc. are still going to be high dollar items.

    There are great deals to be had on plenty of good Swiss houses though...Omega, GP, Universal Geneve, etc.

    Also, plenty of good deals on the classic American houses, like Hamilton, Bulova, Illinois, Gruen, etc. Those are, for the most part, in-house movements with some of the higher grade stuff from the likes of Hamilton and Illinois being really good stuff with screw set jewels, swan's neck regulators, excellent decoration etc.

    Mike
     
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    Well, the "Big" houses like Patek, Audemars, Vacheron, IWC, Rolex, etc. are still going to be high dollar items.

    There are great deals to be had on plenty of good Swiss houses though...Omega, GP, Universal Geneve, etc.

    Also, plenty of good deals on the classic American houses, like Hamilton, Bulova, Illinois, Gruen, etc. Those are, for the most part, in-house movements with some of the higher grade stuff from the likes of Hamilton and Illinois being really good stuff with screw set jewels, swan's neck regulators, excellent decoration etc.

    Mike


    I'd also add to stay away from "fashion" watches. They are expensive and don't offer much past the name and pretty styling. I.e. burberry, gucci, etc.
     
  9. rnguy001

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    Newbie to the SF but a WIS for a while . Will have to agree that quartz gets a bad rap despite being the movement of some amazing timepieces.

    Will also have to disagree on a point - the TRUE WIS would know that it doesn't matter what you wear, as long as you wear what you like. (this pertains to watches) and yes this includes quartz movements too.

    (that being said there are some exceptions to every rule!) looking forward to learning more from you guys!

    Rich
     
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    Well, the "Big" houses like Patek, Audemars, Vacheron, IWC, Rolex, etc. are still going to be high dollar items.

    There are great deals to be had on plenty of good Swiss houses though...Omega, GP, Universal Geneve, etc.

    Also, plenty of good deals on the classic American houses, like Hamilton, Bulova, Illinois, Gruen, etc. Those are, for the most part, in-house movements with some of the higher grade stuff from the likes of Hamilton and Illinois being really good stuff with screw set jewels, swan's neck regulators, excellent decoration etc.

    Mike


    A trip to ebay shows that I won't be getting a watch anytime soon. [​IMG]
     
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    My point, which seems to have passed on without absorption, was why not get something nice, if you are getting a watch from an enthusiasts perspective. He obviously wants something different than some mall quartz watch if he is soliciting the opinions of enthusiasts. Therefore, those pushing him into a Quartz watch are doing him a disservice. He wants to break into the realm of mechanical timepieces.

    Mike

    p.s. A Quartz watch is, of course, a watch. There are even some worth owning, like the JLC/IWC MecaQuartz movements and the more advanced Citizen Grand Complications...not to mention the very early Quartz watches with high grade Swiss movements, like the first GPs. But, for the most part, they are cheap, mass produced junk.


    try oris very nice watches for the price
     

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