Whoa whoa whoa...Just when the fuck did I say that??? I love both equally for completely different reasons. The 5EPs started off with a red/blue/green hue depending on how the light hit it (very cool in my book) which gave way to a subdued turquoise fade. 2nd gen RRLs are hairy and soft to the hand without the standard starch sheen; they, too, fade away to a turquoise but compared to 5EP the color isn't quite as muddied with other colors. My memory doesn't lie... For those of you wanting a side-by-side true life comparison of how the 5ep's fade... http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4765/cimg5531mj7.jpg Here they are next to a pair of Hope selvage. I'd compare Hope's color to Levi deadstock (like APC but with a bit more purple in the mix). From the pic the 5ep's reminded me of my RRL's after several washes but they're on two different planets. Thank Godmother's mixing skil for this craziness.