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Question re: 4 in hand tie with tuxedo

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by twister212, Oct 18, 2006.

  1. twister212

    twister212 Member

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    Are these only for notch collar tux's?

    Could you wear one with a peak collar single breasted?

    (I recognize that some of you are ardently against 4 in hands with a tuxedo...this question is for those who have found it in themselves to accept -- and even to enjoy -- this trend.)
     
  2. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Only for vented notch collar tuxes in midnight blue without facings, covered buttons or braid on the trousers. Worn with turndown collar shirt.
     
  3. rdawson808

    rdawson808 Senior member

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    Are these only for notch collar tux's?


    A dinner jacket does not have notched lapels. Peak or shawl collar are your choices.


    bob
     
  4. drax

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    Only for vented notch collar tuxes in midnight blue without facings, covered buttons or braid on the trousers. Worn with turndown collar shirt.


    RJ means that ties should be worn with a suit never with a tux. I agree with him. You'd either look like a waiter or Ryan Seacrest. You choose.
     
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    Aha i misread it; I see you have asked only for replies from people who have embraced the tie-with-the-tux thing. Can you hear the tumbleweed.....?
     
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    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I prefer the blazer, j.a.
     
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    Just don't do it [​IMG]
     
  9. Tomasso

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    Are these only for notch collar tux's?
    Could you wear one with a peak collar single breasted?

    I think that it might look better with a notch collar.
     
  10. Sator

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    Only for vented notch collar tuxes in midnight blue without facings, covered buttons or braid on the trousers. Worn with turndown collar shirt.

    The preferred colour of the shirt here is black. Alternative acceptable colours for the "tux" here are peach and powder blue. Loafers go particularly well with the combination, especially crocodile ones, but any Gucci loafer will do.
     
  11. Connemara

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    Unless you're a movie star with horrible taste, never.
     
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    Only for vented notch collar tuxes in midnight blue without facings, covered buttons or braid on the trousers. Worn with turndown collar shirt.

    Oh I forgot, if you do have facings on the peach or powder blue "tux" then it should have crocodile leather facings on notched lapels. I saw this being done to - ahem - dramatic effect on a Versace "tux" once. Should match the crocodile loafers well.
     
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    I think that if you're going to break the rules and wear a long tie, you may as well do it with either type of jacket. If anything, I would think peak lapel would be better, since then it looks less like a suit and still has some semblance of formal wear.

    My question would be how to wear the long tie. Do you wear a vest, or a cummberbund?
     
  14. Quirk

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    Are these only for notch collar tux's?

    Could you wear one with a peak collar single breasted?

    (I recognize that some of you are ardently against 4 in hands with a tuxedo...this question is for those who have found it in themselves to accept -- and even to enjoy -- this trend.)


    So, you want to know the rules for rule-breaking? [​IMG]
     
  15. Bradford

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    Funny -

    I was just coming on to ask whether I could wear a long silver tie with a white dress shirt and my tux to an event tomorrow evening.

    I'm going to try it and see how it looks. The event is black tie optional, so if it looks stupid, I'll just break out a dark blue suit.
     
  16. Thomas

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    I hope those who know better set me straight, but didn't Neville Chamberlain sport a similar look, particularly with a wing collar? Probably not a tuxedo, though, and if I was fishing for comparisons to British statesmen I would certainly prefer Churchill to Chamberlain, but still - if the look was that bad, wouldn't they have stoned him in parliament?
     
  17. Will

    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Funny -

    I was just coming on to ask whether I could wear a long silver tie with a white dress shirt and my tux to an event tomorrow evening.

    I'm going to try it and see how it looks. The event is black tie optional, so if it looks stupid, I'll just break out a dark blue suit.


    It will look stupid. Wear the blue suit. That combination will look good.
     
  18. twister212

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    The preferred colour of the shirt here is black. Alternative acceptable colours for the "tux" here are peach and powder blue. Loafers go particularly well with the combination, especially crocodile ones, but any Gucci loafer will do.
    Let me narrow it to those who live in NYC or London and get out a fair amount. (No offense intended to the Australian smart-aleck.)
     
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    Let me narrow it to those who live in NYC or London and get out a fair amount. (No offense intended to the Australian smart-aleck.)

    I live in NY. Just don't do it, man.
     
  20. Concordia

    Concordia Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I hope those who know better set me straight, but didn't Neville Chamberlain sport a similar look, particularly with a wing collar? Probably not a tuxedo, though, and if I was fishing for comparisons to British statesmen I would certainly prefer Churchill to Chamberlain, but still - if the look was that bad, wouldn't they have stoned him in parliament?

    http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...rlain&offset=0

    There was a small contingent who kept wearing wing collars with ordinary 3-piece lounge suits until the 30s.

    And I have no idea if Chamberlain ever got stoned in Parliament, or anywhere else for that matter. Churchill's tendencies in that direction are pretty well documented.
     

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