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Question for attorneys - office appropriate?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by teddieriley, May 3, 2006.

  1. josepidal

    josepidal Senior member

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    Note, however, that each practice group may be different. I work in litigation, and we're the most casual group in the firm by far. The business group is on the floor below us, and there, a nice shirt and tie with a sportcoat is a common outfit, but it is also the minimum. Many come in suits everyday.
    Strange. In my firm, the litigation department is the most formally dressed, while the corporate department people have a visible casual Friday rule that sometimes stretches to Wednesdays.
     
  2. odoreater

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    By the way, my firm is on the east coast so things might be a lot different here than in Cali. For example, nobody at my firm would wear a Tommy B. shirt or even a polo shirt. The dress code is button shirt and pressed slacks. In fact, the dress code says that associates may wear a suit if they chose, but they are not required to.
     
  3. andrebaron

    andrebaron Active Member

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    Obviously Jovan hasn't had the pleasure of visiting fashion island at Newport--otherwise he would get it. BTW, I don't think you will making any courtroom visits as a summer associate--count on lots of memos , drafting of motions and sundry letters, and happy hours at Gulfstream or the Ritz.
     
  4. coatandthai

    coatandthai Senior member

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    I am a lawyer and have a general rule about office dressing, which is dress as the client expects their lawyer to dress. In Silicon Valley, that is often (but not always) casual. As an associate, your "client" is typically other members of the firm, since they are the ones who will decide whether to give you work. If you are willing to risk being off-putting to your clients simply for your own self-interest in dressing well (and after all, clothes are merely sewn pieces of cloth arranged on our bodies, it's not like you're taking some sort of moral stand here) then that's your prerogative. If you want my advice, find people in the firm that you like and respect and dress at the same level of causalness/formality.
     
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    Obviously Jovan hasn't had the pleasure of visiting fashion island at Newport--otherwise he would get it. BTW, I don't think you will making any courtroom visits as a summer associate--count on lots of memos , drafting of motions and sundry letters, and happy hours at Gulfstream or the Ritz.

    Maybe this was only my experience, but I had a lot of things during the summer last year that I had to wear a suit for. I shadowed senior associates and partners to court appearances and depositions, we had lunch with judges, after-work social events at fancy places with a coat and tie dress code and other things that I can't recall right now.
     
  6. Beckwith

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    Conveying a Wall St. story, which I think is similar to a large law firm. A friend interned at a major bank's trading floor, wore a custom made three peice suit the first day and has been called Capone ever since.
     
  7. JBZ

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    It shouldn't be a big deal, but at some firms your dress will be noticed. My advice would be to try and blend at first. After you've been there a few months you'll get a feel for whether you're at a place where no one will notice if you come in wearing a suit once in awhile, or whether others will take notice.

    My main concern with dressing above the code would be not how the partners will view you, but how your fellow associates will view you. You might hear words like ass kisser and brown noser (as unfair as that may be). If these are people you're going to work with on a daily basis, you may want to think twice about alienating them (even if this is not your intent). At the very least you'll get the standard, "are you interviewing," "what's the occasion," etc. comments.
     
  8. Mr. Checks

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    I would think that those comments would only last a couple of weeks, and then people would figure out that you like to dress well, and leave you alone.

    Irrespective of any dress code I've ever seen, the older guys love to see the young guys in suits every single day. Many of them bemoan the change to casual dress in this profession, and would see you as an heir to their views; their view is far more important than what your classmates think.
     
  9. retronotmetro

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    hey, lowly 1L here, I'm interning at a federal district court this summer...any suggestions as to what I should wear the first day?

    You should wear a suit the first day, then ask the judge (or the law clerks if the judge doesn't deal with externs) what to do thereafter. Some chambers require suits every day. Other chambers, particularly judges on senior status, may allow you to wear anything you want when the judge isn't around.

    When I clerked, we had a "coat and tie in the courtroom" rule. If you weren't in the courtroom, you didn't need to wear (or even have) a suit coat or sport coat. I kept a navy "emergency" blazer at the office at all times, and wore a suit on days I knew I would be in the courtroom (i.e. every Monday and any day we had hearings or trials). Our externs usually, um, followed suit. Unless they didn't want to be in the courtroom during proceedings.
     
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    Agreed. He is no longer there, but he took the ridicule in stride and it sure did not harm his career there.
     
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    This is kind of off-topic but for all the new lawyers (and the older ones as well) I thought this article was very interesting and informative.What Kind of Laywer are You?
     
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