Question about Shoe Fit?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Parove, Nov 12, 2012.

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  1. Parove

    Parove New Member

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    Hi. I'm new to the forums, and I have a question. Where does the thumb or toes suppose to fit in the shoe? Should there be a space between the toes and the toe cap/upper? I know if it's to tight it is bad for the foot, but if there is a space of about a inch is it also bad?

    I tried searching Google for the answer, but couldn't find one.
     


  2. Makoto Chan

    Makoto Chan Senior member

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    There's a small space between your toes and the tip of the shoe. It should feel comfortable. Ask a salesperson when you try the show on. An inch sounds like too much but maybe not. Best learned IRL.
     


  3. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Depends on the size. Sabbage says one full section beyond the length of the foot (LOF)...for medium round toed lasts. A "section" is 1/11th of the foot length...so roughly one inch for 8, 9, 10, a little less for sizes below that and a little more for larger sizes.

    This is for a "classic" style shoe. For fashion forward, maybe inch and a quarter.

    The rough and ready rule in the US is the 'rule of thumb"--the width of a man's thumb (about 5/8") beyond the LOF for wide round toed shoes, more for narrower toes.

    Beyond a certain point the toes of the foot cannot control the insole at the end of the shoe and the shoe toe will curl up and the toe stiffener will look like it no longer belongs to the shoe.

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    dbhdnhdbh Senior member

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    Can you say something about "arch length?" This would appear to produce substantial variation in the length of shoe beyond the toe if one fits to arch rather than overall foot length?
     


  5. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Arch length doesn't have anything to do...for good or ill...with the shoe length or the SLL (standard last length). But it has everything to do with proper fit.

    Ideally, a shoe will be fit to the customer's unique arch length...also known as "heel to ball" length. Since some people have short toes and some have long toes, the H-B is really the only reliable datum that can determine the proper size of shoe for that foot.

    Of course there are industry accepted "standards" for the relationship between the H-B length and the SLL. But in use, this varies from one manufacturer and/or one model of last to another. And is often based more on perceived fashion trends or even economic considerations than on sound anatomical principle. Some people have H-B measurements that don't even begin to correlate to with industry standards. Compounding that is the fact that it is the rare individual who has two feet that are exactly the same length or have the same H-B.

    But the accepted procedure for determining foot size--a measurement taken from the back of the heel to the end of the toe (also known as the "stick") is, at the end of the day, deeply and fundamentally flawed.
     


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    Thanks for the replies. Very informative. I purchased a boot from Zappos and had to send it back. I have the worst time at buying shoes IRL or online; I don't know what is my proper fit. What makes it worst is as you've stated manufacturers have different sizing etc. The shoe forums on this site is what made me join because I'd like to get a proper fit. Over the years I've developed foot problems: corns, calluses, and pain because of one particular size that I had to give away.
     


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