Quality in Pants

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  1. kabert

    kabert Senior member

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    What determines the quality and thus price of pants. For suits and sport coats I can more readily see the differences. What makes a Brioni pant better than a Incotex? And both better than Brooks Brothers? Also what differeniates $800 Brioni pants from $500 Brioni pants? I would assume the brand name gives Brioni a boost, but Incotex holds none of the cache yet still demands high prices.


    I'm not sure Brioni is necessarily better than Incotex (e.g., a 150s Brioni vs. a 150s Incotex Sartoriale). Among other factors, a garment's price involves cost of fabric, quality of construction, labor costs, marketing costs, etc. Brioni, from what I can tell, probably has much higher marketing costs than Incotex. Anyone ever seen an Incotex advertisement or an Incotex retail store?

    By the way, I'm a big fan of nice slacks and I am convinced that, once worn, it's difficult to go back to lesser slacks. For example, heavier weight wool slacks by Oxxford are sublime in the colder months -- they hang beautifully, are warm, are obviously well-made, and come in dozens and dozens of fabrics, from the ordinary grays to fantastically unique herringbones and plaids. In warmer months, it's hard to beat ultralight wool slacks from Incotex. And, all are regularly available at less than full retail price if you know where to look -- Ebay, Neiman-Marcus's Last Call sale, Saks' "Take One/Two," etc. sales.
     


  2. Fabro

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    I'm a big fan of better slacks. I don't get to wear a suit too much in the office, so good slacks, shirts, shoes and belts are important. I really appreciate the little details of handwork or nice curtaining on a waistband. And the fabrics can be amazing. Just got a pair of Incotex Sartoriale slacks that are just great. But most of this stuff is for me; I don't think my co-workers ever notice.
     


  3. odoreater

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    I'm a big fan of better slacks. I don't get to wear a suit too much in the office, so good slacks, shirts, shoes and belts are important. I really appreciate the little details of handwork or nice curtaining on a waistband. And the fabrics can be amazing. Just got a pair of Incotex Sartoriale slacks that are just great. But most of this stuff is for me; I don't think my co-workers ever notice.

    Alright, fine. For the sake of experimentation and in the name of science I will buy some nicer pants and see if they feel or look any better than my Kors slacks.

    But I still think my Kors slacks from the picture look perfectly fine.
     


  4. Get Smart

    Get Smart Don't Crink

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    But I still think my Kors slacks from the picture look perfectly fine.


    I shudder to think of the things in my closet I used to think looked "perfectly fine"....[​IMG]
     


  5. odoreater

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    I shudder to think of the things in my closet I used to think looked "perfectly fine"....[​IMG]

    Well do you see anything wrong with the picture?
     


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    For the sake of experimentation and in the name of science I will buy some...

    Way to rationalize another clothing purchase! I'll have to try this one soon.
     


  7. ragdoll

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    IMHO, your pants are a little full around the hips and thighs. Not a big deal but once you have a perfect fitting pair you will notice (and begin to care).
     


  8. Get Smart

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    Well do you see anything wrong with the picture?

    I actually wasnt referring to your pic, just a generality...should have made that clear. But in the pic your trouser style is not the type I wear so my opinion is probably irrelevant....I like a tapered thinner leg, prefer frog mouth pockets to side slants, wear them with no break on the shoe.

    but from your pic, the shape of the trousers looks a bit shapeless...to me anyways.
     


  9. dare-

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    I think pants are less important than shirts. A pair of pants are easier to fit than a shirt.

    But I still spend a good deal on pants because I prefer the neopolitan fit (borrelli, barba, some incotex, mabitex). It's hard to find that style at target or even trendy stores like A/X, since the neopolitan fit is much more tapered. I use to wear then with no break. But I have seen the light and now wear them with a half break.

    I usually grab them when Yoox has it's final clearance sale.
     


  10. odoreater

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    IMHO, your pants are a little full around the hips and thighs. Not a big deal but once you have a perfect fitting pair you will notice (and begin to care).

    I have pretty big thighs though for my body (lots of squatting and deadlifting when I work out) so that might be why they look so big. One of my thighs measures the same circumference as my gf's waist [​IMG] Also, these pants don't fit perfectly in the waist because I lost a lot of weight recently and haven't gotten around to buying new pants (I lost about 25 - 30 lbs and about 3 inches on my waist).

    I actually wasnt referring to your pic, just a generality...should have made that clear. But in the pic your trouser style is not the type I wear so my opinion is probably irrelevant....I like a tapered thinner leg, prefer frog mouth pockets to side slants, wear them with no break on the shoe.

    but from your pic, the shape of the trousers looks a bit shapeless...to me anyways.


    Yeah, I don't think tapered trousers work so well for me because of my big thighs and relatively small calfs. And, your opinion is always welcome and never irrelevant.

    Way to rationalize another clothing purchase! I'll have to try this one soon.

    Yeah, it's a good one [​IMG] There's a lot that I will do for the sake of science.
     


  11. mensimageconsultant

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    Most people aren't concerned with the quality of clothing items, period.

    If the question were, "Which do male buyers care more about, shirts or pants (but not jeans)?" the answer would be shirts. Shirt fit is trickier, and style choices (possibilities for self-expression) are much broader.
     


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    Well do you see anything wrong with the picture?

    It's not that they're not criminal, to be sure, but other than covering you from the waist down they aren't doing anything for you.

    I'm sure there's a saying somewhere about how a well-fitted jacket amplifies the best of what one has physically. Well, your pants are not doing it.

    That being said, and I know the tailors here would disagree, but pants seem to be the most difficult things to fit right.
     


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    It's not that they're not criminal, to be sure, but other than covering you from the waist down they aren't doing anything for you.

    I'm sure there's a saying somewhere about how a well-fitted jacket amplifies the best of what one has physically. Well, your pants are not doing it.

    That being said, and I know the tailors here would disagree, but pants seem to be the most difficult things to fit right.


    What should they be doing, amplifying my thighs? That's a little, er...queer. My thighs are 27" last time I measured.

    You should see those pants from the back (actually, no, you shouldn't, but), they do some amplifying back there.
     


  14. cpac

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    I never thought much of pants until I tried on the suit pants that were part of my first Mr. Ned suit. What a HUGE difference custom can make - and I never really thought it would.
     


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    What should they be doing, amplifying my thighs? That's a little, er...queer. My thighs are 27" last time I measured.

    You should see those pants from the back (actually, no, you shouldn't, but), they do some amplifying back there.


    Ha! I'm glad you took it in the spirit intended.

    From your pic, you seem to be in decent shape, but one would never be able to tell. But more than that, I don't like them much for the same reason we don't like sleeves that are too long and overstated shoulders in a jacket.

    Specifically, I like the color. But I could sum up all my nit-picky comments into one: they look like pants made for someone much larger than you.

    But it could just be me. I need every advantage I can get, so I'm pretty fussy about how things fit. Others, they can wear anything and still look good. I hate it when they do that!
     


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