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Public university vs. land grant university

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by ArteEtLabore14, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. ArteEtLabore14

    ArteEtLabore14 Well-Known Member

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    What exactly is the difference between these two? I am from Connecticut and we have four schools in our "state school" system:

    - Western Connecticut State University
    - Eastern Connecticut State University
    - Central Connecticut State University
    - Southern Connecticut State University

    Then, we have the University of Connecticut (which is home to the states most famous sports teams =/ ). I have never heard of UConn referred to as a "state school", so my question is what is the difference?
     
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    State schools are given monetary grants (in addition to land, oftentimes), whereas "land grant" schools are just what the name implies, schools that are granted land. In PA we have 13 State schools and 2 land-grant, PSU and Temple. Land Grant State University
     
  3. ArteEtLabore14

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    So the state schools are essentially bank-rolled by the state (minus what they get from students for tuition etc) whereas land grant universities just get a bunch of land from the state, which then tells it to go on its merry way?
     
  4. gomestar

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    a public university is supported by funding from the government (and thus, the public), while private colleges are supported independently (they they may very well receive research funding and tax breaks)

    Land Grant universities were established with the help of the Morrill acts in the late 1800's and they are entitled to receive certain benefits for education in things like agriculture (stuff meant for the 'improvement' of a state). Not all land grant universities are public, Cornell and MIT are both land grant universities in their respective states.

    and UConn is a state school.
     
  5. gomestar

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    So the state schools are essentially bank-rolled by the state (minus what they get from students for tuition etc) whereas land grant universities just get a bunch of land from the state, which then tells it to go on its merry way?

    no, land grant schools just get the added benefit of the land and entitlements from the Morrill act. In exchange, they have to continue to educate on a few topics deemed important for the general livelyhood of the state.
     
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    Unless I am mistaken or things have changed, land grant colleges and universities have to offer military training, e.g., ROTC. In my days at UCLA two years of ROTC were compulsory for all able bodied male students who were U.S. citizens and who had not had prior military service.
     
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    perhaps, I don't know much about the military link. I know Cornell doesn't require military service but they do have ROTC on campus.
     
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    Land-grant universities were created by the Morrill Act, which was 1864 or something like that. They tend to be the oldest and most prestigious public unis, with notable exceptions.

    Land-grant universities are public universities.
     
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    Land-grant universities are public universities.

    2 exceptons (MIT and Cornell)
     
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    2 exceptons (MIT and Cornell)
    Correct, though Cornell does still have colleges that are publicly funded. But it's nonetheless a private school.
     
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    Land-grant schools are usually identified by "...State University" in their name. These are generally the "ag" schools.
    Moo U and all that sort of stuff.

    Iowa State
    Oklahoma State
    North Dakota State
    et al
     
  12. ArteEtLabore14

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    and UConn is a state school.

    Well from what I've read a 'state school' is a "colloquial term for a state university." Since the University of Connecticut is not a part of the Connecticut State University System (which is comprised of WCSU, ECSU, CCSU, & SCSU) that would mean that it is in fact not a state school.
     
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    Correct, though Cornell does still have colleges that are publicly funded. But it's nonetheless a private school.

    Cornell's are only partially funded by the state, they're still privately owned and operated. It gets complex, I had to learn a bunch of this shit when I worked in admissions. NY State seems to have cut their funding quite a bit over the last few years so Cornell has had to boost private funding quite a bit.
     
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    Well from what I've read a 'state school' is a "colloquial term for a state university." Since the University of Connecticut is not a part of the Connecticut State University System (which is comprised of WCSU, ECSU, CCSU, & SCSU) that would mean that it is in fact not a state school.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_universities
     
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    Land-grant universities were created by the Morrill Act, which was 1864 or something like that. They tend to be the oldest and most prestigious public unis, with notable exceptions. Land-grant universities are public universities.
    Um, no. Land grant schools are more likely to be cow colleges; teaching agriculture, engineering, etc. They were created by a young-ish country to help drive the industrial revolution along (and because we had a lot of land to give away). This coincided with the shift towards the German research institution model, and away from merely learning by recitation or in the classical styles. They were more likely to create engineers and industrialists, not attorneys or politicians. And when medicine and pharmacy schools were created, they were more likely to go to the flagship, pre-Morrell Act schools. The most prestigious public universities were those which began in the classic style. The University of Michigan, UNC, UVA, UGA, Tennessee, Alabama, etc. A notable exception is the University of Texas in Austin; which was the second state university in Texas (A&M was first, and the landgrant school) however it became the more prestigious. Berkeley was a Morrell Act school that ceded it's responsibilities under the act to some other UC school so that it could pursue a more liberal arts/law/etc curriculum. And, it's a perennial top 5 public university now.
     
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    When I started at Auburn University (originally known as Alabama Polytechnic University), A land grant university, all freshmen had to pass a swimming test or take swimming. We were told this was owing to the school being a land grant university. This was mid-70's. Any of my contemporaries attending other LGU's have to do this same exercise?

    Of course it may really have to do with the joke I heard YEARS ago: There were 3 Auburn students killed in an accident recently. They were riding in the back of an open bed pickup truck and the truck left the road and ended up in a creek. The 3 victims drowned when they failed to escape when they couldn't get the tailgate open.........
     
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    Well from what I've read a 'state school' is a "colloquial term for a state university." Since the University of Connecticut is not a part of the Connecticut State University System (which is comprised of WCSU, ECSU, CCSU, & SCSU) that would mean that it is in fact not a state school.


    It's a state school even though it's not part of the state university system. UConn is a public institution that receives CT taxpayer money and it serves the people of CT. Read about it right here: http://www.uconn.edu/about.php

    public = state
     
  18. Teacher

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    Unless I am mistaken or things have changed, land grant colleges and universities have to offer military training, e.g., ROTC. In my days at UCLA two years of ROTC were compulsory for all able bodied male students who were U.S. citizens and who had not had prior military service.

    My university is a land grant institution, and we do have ROTC here. However, it's not compulsory. I also can't comment on whether they're required to have it or not.
     
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    Um, no.

    Land grant schools are more likely to be cow colleges; teaching agriculture, engineering, etc. They were created by a young-ish country to help drive the industrial revolution along (and because we had a lot of land to give away). This coincided with the shift towards the German research institution model, and away from merely learning by recitation or in the classical styles. They were more likely to create engineers and industrialists, not attorneys or politicians. And when medicine and pharmacy schools were created, they were more likely to go to the flagship, pre-Morrell Act schools.


    These are likelihoods, but they're certainly not always the case. The University of North Dakota is our state's flagship school. It was established as a liberal arts university and has always been such. It has both the med school and the law school. North Dakota State University, in Fargo, is the ag school (we enjoy callling it "Moo U," and -- I swear to God -- there is a Farmer Fraternity there). The "normal school" (later, teachers' college) was created in a third town.
     
  20. crazyquik

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    These are likelihoods, but they're certainly not always the case. The University of North Dakota is our state's flagship school. It was established as a liberal arts university and has always been such. It has both the med school and the law school. North Dakota State University, in Fargo, is the ag school (we enjoy callling it "Moo U," and -- I swear to God -- there is a Farmer Fraternity there). The "normal school" (later, teachers' college) was created in a third town.


    According to wikipedia, only North Dakota State is a land-grant school. Again, according to wikipedia, U of ND actually began before ND was a state, meaning it was created before the Morrell Act would have applied.

    So, you've buttressed my statement [​IMG]

    There are also farmer fraternities at the local cow college here.
     

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