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PSA: Thin-Red Line backorder pre-order... We're idiots

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Trojanman74, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. Anders

    Anders Well-Known Member

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    I think it was stated in the other thread for the USA.

    Yes, this is what Richard told me in a e-mail (entire email posted in the other thread):

     
  2. Steven Aver

    Steven Aver Senior member

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    I have two little gripes with these shoes.



    I wore the walnut suede full brogues today.

    1. The dumb red lining has dyed my pantherella socks red. Also the Lining edges can be seen from some angles when looking at the shoe when its on, which I don't like.


    2. Looks like these are indeed seargents because the rubber heel wedges creak on both shoes when walking. I have the same issue on two pairs of peal sargents. Looks like I will have to get the wedges nailed down as a fix.



    I think I am going to bail on a reorder unless there is option for non red lining.
     
  3. Bounder

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    I also agree with some of the other posters; given the average price of £220-280 for C&J benchgrades, I still think that the TRL Sargents would be good value for money.

    Maybe, but shouldn't we be comparing these against the price for AS -- since that's what they are -- rather than C&J? While 115 GBP would have been a great deal for C&J, it would have only been a good deal for AS who's prices were more in the 150-180 range.

    I'm also concerned about how AS's quality holds up after all the changes.

    Anyway, it's too soon to tell. I'll wait and see what the new price is going to be.
     
  4. stylemaven

    stylemaven Senior member

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    I think it was stated in the other thread for the USA.

    I posted a pair from the UK to the states for another member - and assumed there 12gbp shipping was what it would cost me - turned out to be GBP 40+

    still - I'm very pleased with the two pairs I got on the first go around, and would be game for some more...
     
  5. somatoform

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    I posted a pair from the UK to the states for another member - and assumed there 12gbp shipping was what it would cost me - turned out to be GBP 40+
    still - I'm very pleased with the two pairs I got on the first go around, and would be game for some more...


    Sure, But TRL has to be careful with their pricing: there are alot of UK based websites that are offering the same quality shoes for 20 pounds shipping. Herringshoes, for example, has got some great Cheaney and Loake sale price deals for the above stated shipping price. Admittedly, I have no idea how Cheaney and Loake stand against AS, but they look good.

    Perhaps the 40 pound shipping could be tempered by their willingness to not offer such fast shipping. I have no problem waiting longer for 20 pound shipping. But for 40 pounds ($70 CAD), blow me.
     
  6. Eustace

    Eustace Senior member

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    . But for 40 pounds ($70 CAD), blow me.

    Where do you live? [​IMG]
     
  7. Razele

    Razele Senior member

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    Sad to see a good deal go bad.

    I'll be bailing if it's more than 250 aud a pair. I'll just be getting Crockett and Jones benchgrade, my original plan. And 100 aud for shipping is silly.

    Ah well.

    Start saving for c+j then.
     
  8. btinl

    btinl Senior member

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    If too many people bail, the prices will probably jump even higher. [​IMG]
     
  9. upnorth

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    Perhaps the 40 pound shipping could be tempered by their willingness to not offer such fast shipping. I have no problem waiting longer for 20 pound shipping. But for 40 pounds ($70 CAD), blow me.

    I will opt for the cheaper but slower shipping definitely if that's the case. Paying 3-5 times the price of the original shipping cost is not something I signed up for. They were sent out by their default courier, which was EMS and very quick. Most of the other British retailers use Royal mail, which I presume is more economical.

    I don't wish to have to cancel my order just because of this deal breaker, unless it turns out to be more costlier or even similar to buying Sargents from other competitors. As it is, I had a hard time convincing my wife (through arithmetics) why I had to buy a few pairs of shoes at one go. She'll flip when she sees the bill if it doesn't make financial sense. I'll just have to wait and see.
     
  10. Razele

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    Yeah... It really depends on a few things here. I'm after value, so if these get above my mark I'll be dropping out.

    I don't think that you can give a price, mark it up and not have people leave.

    I mean if it's 20 pounds more I won't really mind, but anything more and I'll be out.
     
  11. osc

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    I hope that they are truly trying to give us a good deal on these shoes as stated and not trying to charge to make up for lost revenue on the first sale...here's to hoping
     
  12. TEPLimey

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    Well, lets put it this way...

    From the US you can get AS on Pediwear for 153-178 GBP shipped.

    Likewise, you can get Loake 1880s for ~136 GBP shipped.

    The way Richard has been conveying the deal, its going to have to be pretty close to his original estimates to live up to the expectation.

    I am going to assume that the total per pair is going to be about 115 GBP shipped to the US until I hear otherwise. I would guess that the VAT would at least offset the shipping cost.
     
  13. samus

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    I hope that they are truly trying to give us a good deal on these shoes as stated and not trying to charge to make up for lost revenue on the first sale...here's to hoping

    Let's try not to make any untoward implications. They have been very forthright and helpful.
     
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    Let's try not to make any untoward implications. They have been very forthright and helpful.
    strongly agree
     
  15. upnorth

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    To be fair, they have been above board in all my dealings with them and are responsive and helpful. I'm sure that there are some things such as increased cost of raw materials and shipping that are beyond their control and I don't blame them for anything, if at all, I'm grateful to them for organizing this sale.

    The thing was that perhaps in my zealous bid to attain value, I might have bit off more than I can chew based on their estimates and my understanding of their shipping. I had originally thought that they had worked some kind of a deal with the courier company that might have allowed them to make delivery at very reasonable prices since I know most companies do.

    They have a business to run and from the looks of it, they have said that they do not profit from the shipping when they said they will charge the actual postage and nothing more. It is immensely difficult in any business to accurately forecast and budget for everything but I'm sure they are trying their best. If I cancel my orders, it will be due to my inferior financial standing in this tough economic environment and I will mark it down as my own fault.
     
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    sarcasticfolly:I gave my foot measurements to Richard. It was measured to be 29cm. For that i was told 10.5UK would fit fine. I am usually a 11UK for sneakers/shoes from the likes of Adidas and Nike. Hope this helps.
     
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    Why dont we just wait and see what the prices are to be instead of second guessing ..........
     
  18. Razele

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    I want the giddy highs and the terrifying lows.
     
  19. Groover

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    I want the giddy highs and the terrifying lows.


    In Price or Quality?

    It's been well known for a while now that AS have been trying to move into the higher end of the market, in the process dropping their cheaper lines.

    If the original stock held by TRL were bought in last year then it stands to reason the leather could vary from the Premier to Classic quality as supplied by AS on their own branded shoes. In my opinion it was a mistake for TRL to be offering a lower quality grade before checking with AS if they would facilite this, given that AS no longer want to use this type of leather.
     
  20. D_K

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    Email is in: GREAT NEWS - YOUR THIN RED LINE SHOE ORDER IS READY FOR CONFIRMATION! Please log in at: www.thinredline.com to confirm your shoe order (you will have the option to remove shoes or decline the entire order once logged in). A personal message from Hereward: I would like to thank all of you who have taken part in this back order service. I hope you have been satisfied with our level of customer service and response times to queries. I understand that there will be some speculation as to various aspects of the service regarding pricing and leathers, so I hope I can answer some of the possible questions below: Many people were recently introduced to our shoes via our stock clearance sale. The shoe sale price of £79 was reflective of the fact that we needed to clear stock to make way for new products. This price was well below cost, and if you factor in our £12 flat rate worldwide shipping charge, you can see that it really was a clearance sale. Due to numerous enquiries we decided to offer a special one-off back order service. The response to this service has been good and we have done our very best to accommodate non-standard requests and different styles. Richard has worked tirelessly to answer all questions in a timely manner and to the best of our ability. We have also spent a lot of time developing new web site systems to ensure the back order service runs as smoothly and efficiently as possible for everyone. I would like to stress that we have always explained that everything to do with the back order service was provisional – ranging from the price, to the possible option of using lower grade leathers. This is the first time we have offered a service like this and we embarked upon it with our eyes wide open to the fact that we could not make any sure promises at the outset and I hope we conveyed this properly. As it turned out, our manufacturer no longer deals in lower grade leathers – we didn't know this because we've never ordered shoes made from these lower grade leathers before. If you selected shoes made from grade leather, we have converted your selection to the premium leather - you can, of course, cancel your shoes at the confirmation page if you no longer wish to proceed. Our shoes are, and have always been, made using only the finest premium calf leathers and suedes. In this respect our shoes are comparable to other brands costing well in excess of £200 and often more than £300. We also endeavour to make our shoes unique with features such as full lined red lining and our unique take on the shoe bag. If you don't like the red lining then there's not much we can do – but if you do like these unique features then I believe our shoes are some of the best available, anywhere in the world. Although the final price for the shoes has come out slightly higher than forecast, I would like to assure you that these prices still represent exceptional value. We are committed to providing all participants with the absolute best price possible and what we are NOT doing is hiking the price to recoup losses on the previous sales. Unfortunately, worldwide shipping charges are significant however it is done and this is outside of our control. Please rest assured that these prices are based upon the incredibly high manufacturing cost of the shoes themselves, combined with only a very small margin for ourselves to ensure that costs are covered. Shipping costs are the actual costs which includes our 40% discount due to the volume of dispatches we make. Thank you for participating in this special service. Please log in and proceed to the shoe order confirmation page. This page will remain open for 7 days or until we have received all responses, whichever is the sooner. Once we have responses for all orders, you will receive one final email for the deposit payment. After this, your order will go into production and your shoes should be dispatched within 8 weeks from the production date (subject to any manufacturing delays which are out of our control). I look forward to hearing from you. Warm regards, Hereward
     

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