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PSA: Thin-Red Line backorder pre-order... We're idiots

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Trojanman74, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. Trojanman74

    Trojanman74 Senior member

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    Dear All,

    Thank you for your patience regarding an update about the Alfred
    Sargent stock shoe discount offer, but it's bad news I'm afraid.

    After more than two and a half weeks' of almost daily calls from me
    to Alfred Sargent and Sons Ltd. I finally spoke at length with
    Andrew Sargent at the end of last week, and the upshot is that
    (dispite several verbal assurances to the contrary), us selling
    their stock shoes is not a viable possibility.

    Unknown to you, AS have been keeping a close eye on what's been
    said on SF. They've seen events unfold which, initially, seemed
    appealing to them but it all went a bit wrong when some well
    meaning SF members emailed Alfred Sargent directly saying
    "it's great that you're doing this deal with Thin Red Line". This
    has proved to be quite counter-productive as AS took this as an
    example of how uncontrollable information is on the internet
    and thus they became very uncomfortable with the idea of TRL
    offering their stock shoes at a discount to SF members because the
    code would inevitably get leaked and this would upset AS's other
    retailers. I told Andrew Sargent that we could limit the offer in
    any number of ways such as limit the total number of orders or
    limit by time - but this didn't make any difference.

    Basically, the current situation is this:

    1. AS are soon to launch their own website selling direct and,
    as such, they do not want new online retailers. Therefore, for
    obvious reasons, TRL selling AS stock shoes at a discount is a
    no-go.

    2. During my call with Andrew Sargent it also became apparent that
    AS would also have trouble completing all of the original TRL
    branded back orders due to the fact that AS no longer hold stock of
    materials - just about everything is now regarded as made-to-order
    and as such they cannot guarantee availability of leathers at any
    given time. So, even the orders that I had assumed we could
    complete with no issue, would now prove problematic.

    So, I think we've come to the end of the road, I'm afraid. As you
    know, all of us here at TRL have put in huge efforts to make this
    happen one way or another - but, at the end of the day, we don't
    control the supply of the shoes we sell. If we were talking shirts,
    it would be a completely different matter because we make our
    garments ourselves - but for shoes, without Alfred Sargent on
    board, we can't help you guys out and AS are clearly unwilling to
    get involved - no matter what assurances I offer.

    In the future, we may stock a very limited range of TRL branded
    shoes which will be made by AS. If and when we do this, we will of
    course let you know and will provide preferential rates to those of
    you who signed up to the back order list. However, this wont happen
    until the Autumn at the earliest.

    I'm sorry I couldn't offer you better news today. It has been
    a pleasure getting to know all the folk on SF – I think you're
    a great bunch of guys – and I assure you I have really pulled out
    all the stops possible to try and make this happen.

    Apologies again and thank you for your patience and understanding.
    Obviously, please don't hesitate to contact me directly if
    I can be of any assistance to you in the world of shirts.

    Warm regards,

    Hereward



    i dont think people look at this near month old thread all the way through and since i have my name on two of the shoes in the pre-orde i want to make sure i get my shoe. here is the email as quoted by another member. Richard, the assistant i think helping ever SF'er, told me there are only 4 days left to put your name down on a shoe. the rules are listed on the pred-order page so please only put your name down if you intend to purchase. i dont want to find out what consequences there are if too many buyers fall through.

     


  2. bigbris1

    bigbris1 Senior member

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    Wow, they allow you to choose a lower grade leather to achieve a cheaper price? Wow.

    I wonder how many will go that route? I also wonder with the current state of AS just how they plan on doing this.
     


  3. Eustace

    Eustace Senior member

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    The prices went up to $115 from $79 GBP. [​IMG] Still a good deal though. Thinking about pre-ordering the faux-mckays.
     


  4. justsayno

    justsayno Senior member

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    TRL now has smaller sizes from UK 6 Also we need more buyers for the Scotch Grain Saddle Gibson Burnished Grain Calf. I'm thinking of getting Dainite soles instead of leather sole [​IMG]
     


  5. Eustace

    Eustace Senior member

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    How much was shipping to the US for those who've already purchased?
     


  6. justsayno

    justsayno Senior member

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    Spark Senior member

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    BTW, I've been in touch with Richard and you can also order G widths if you ahve wide feet.

    Very prompt replies -- great service!
     


  8. justsayno

    justsayno Senior member

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    I just sent richard an email about wide widths. good to know!
     


  9. leon12

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    Also we need more buyers for the Scotch Grain Saddle Gibson Burnished Grain Calf.
    I'm thinking of getting Dainite soles instead of leather sole


    Is ordering a different sole an option?
    I might be in for Saddle Gibson Burnished Walnut if I could get a leather sole.
     


  10. TEPLimey

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    Has anyone confirmed that the 115GBP includes VAT?
     


  11. Saenek

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    Oh nice, going to put myself down for a couple pairs.
     


  12. Wes Bourne

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    I put in a preorder and am awaiting TRL's confirmation of final prices. If the willow calf half brogues end up about 115GBP, then it's a pretty good deal, judging by the suede half monks I received.

    I also wonder with the current state of AS just how they plan on doing this.

    Maybe this will put to rest rumors of Sargent's imminent demise...2 things though:

    -iirc, TRL didn't want to confirm the maker. Perhaps additional prodding would give us a definite answer since preorders will require a deposit;

    -on the other hand, speculation regarding the maker has been based solely on the nail pattern. I don't think anyone managed to identify inside markings (last #, etc) as belonging to Sargent. Could it be that they're made by another English maker? Cheaney or Barker perhaps? Hell, I haven't entirely dismissed the possibility that these could be Loake or Grenson...I'll admit that Clark's side-by- side shots with his Sargent Blenheim do make a convincing argument.
     


  13. bigbris1

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    Someone post a pic of the writing inside the quarters of their shoe & I'll let you know. Mr. Moo?
     


  14. kev777

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    Just ordered my Willow Calf half brogues lets hope this goes through, seems like a very good deal to me £115 for a £220 ish pair shoes elsewhere. This mustn,t be a good deal tho as i dont normally get good deals [​IMG]
     


  15. lee_44106

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    Look guys,

    125 x 1.48= $185.

    that's VERY good for a pair of English made shoes. Who the hell (I certainly don't) give a sh*t about whether Sargent or Barker or Cheney made them?
     


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