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Proper Cloth - Official Affiliate Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Seph, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. ny3pcg

    ny3pcg Well-Known Member

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    How satisfied have people been when getting fitted in person at PC? I'm going to be in NYC this spring and am tempted to get fitted by PC but want to know if people have found it worthwhile.
    Thanks!
     
  3. shirtsnob

    shirtsnob Senior member

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    if you are virgin like in the area of fit, then yes its worth it...

    but if u r a seasoned man that knows a lot about fit, its not such a big deal to go.

    I love going because I like the crew there, and I MUST feel all fabrics in person..lol
     
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  6. ny3pcg

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    Thank you for the suggestions. For this particular shirt in the photo, I only laundered it once so I think the sleeve length will shorten a little more with a few washes. that's what happened with my other pc shirts.

    In regards to darts, based on the pc darts page, it says adding darts will automatically increase the midsection front panel by 1.5inches, however, if I want to keep the front width the same, to decrease the automatic width of the midsection by .5 inches. Did you follow pc's guidance? I'd like to try adding the darts but don't want the front midsection to be any wider then it already is. If anything I'd like to slim it down a little.
     
  7. shirtsnob

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    I did not follow that guide...nor do I recall it!...lol

    that being said, I have not noticed a wider front mid


    after reading it.......

    darts make the rear of a shirt less baggy but keep the overall mid area the same......the darts remove about 1.5 " and that amount is just added back into frt of shirt...so overall its the same but more contoured in the back

    I have never noticed the frt area being larger than any PC non darted shirt.


    but I understand what u r sayng. For the benefit of clarity, here is what the PC site says:

    if you think you need darts

    Darts are a great way to resolve the issue of excess fabric around the lower back of the shirt. If you find that the midsection in your shirt size is as slim as you prefer in the front of the shirt, but there is still some excess fabric you’d like to remove from the curve in your lower back, try reducing the midsection width another 1/2″ and applying darts to your shirt size.
     
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  8. venividivicibj

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    lol
     
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    Thank you. Makes more sense now. I think I will try the darts and also reduce the front midsection by 1/2 in to slim it down a little more
     
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    How much collar shrinkage can I expect after a few washes? Ive only laudered once and the collar is a quarter inch roomier than I would like (still hasent shrunk down to my requested size). It is my understanding that PC accounts for potential shrinkage when the shirt is cut.

    Also, does anyone know if they will be updating the roma spread collar?
     
  11. shirtsnob

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    looks like colo bd!
    somebody had asked about the collar on that white bd recently
     
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    Is anyone else having trouble getting in contact with proper cloth? No one will answer the phone the last 4 days and the inbox is full. Also, no one is responding back to my emails.
     
  13. ericgereghty

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    Nope. Emailed them on a insignificant inquiry after reading this, and they actually got back to me within the hour.
     
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    Once again being enticed by the new materials that PC has on offer (I'm still on their mailing list), I'm re-asking this again since before - both in '15 here and in '16 here - I never really got a clear response from anyone... Not trying to beat a dead horse, just hoping that someone who successfully went from a similar situation as mine can confirm or deny better results since. Note that I realize that most people didn't have the problem to begin with, so clearly it's a specialized problem...

    In short - has anyone who had trouble with PC collars collapsing - specifically the Roma and President varieties - since found them to be better? I had 2 or 3 shirts that all ended up going to charity specifically because of collar collapse and am hoping they've improved production and/or added options have remedied the problem. See my 2 links above for previous discussions/info but I'm trying to make sure my collars do this:
    [​IMG]

    and not end up like this:
    [​IMG]

    By way of comparison, my Barba, Finamore, and Borrelli's perform perfectly like the former, while all my PCs were like the latter (even without a jacket, sigh).
     
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  15. venividivicibj

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    Wont all shirts collapse to some extent without a jacket?
     
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    Quote:I would say yes! and that pic of Bond.....you need to tug on a collar all night to keep it up like that.
     
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    I'll grant that the Brosnan pic is the ideal and, yes, it's probably posed perfectly for that pic.

    But my counter point is the more important one - the collapsed picture. I have collars that never, ever - repeat: never, ever, ever - do that: Mazzarrelli, Inglese, Barba, Finamore, Truzzi, Canali, Zegna, etc. In real life at any moment they present about 80% as well as the Brosnan pic. Yet all (2 or 3?) of my PCs flattened: every. single. time. They didn't wear under a jacket for 10 secs without flattening and, even sans jacket, went about 2 minutes of motion before they did.

    Again, not trying to beat up on PC, I'm hoping the problem that plagued me is fixed! I'm constantly enticed with their emails and, other than the collar, thought the shirts were well made and a good bang for the buck - I want to give them more of my money! - but the flattened collar is a 100% deal breaker.

    See, I wonder if you're afflicted by the same thing and don't realize it (PC shirts or otherwise) . I have plenty of shirts that wear about as well as the Brosnan pic (like I said, about 80% as well), and don't require collar tugging. My PC collars required fiddling like that constantly because they fell like the second pic. I suspect you might be struggling with similar challenges and not realizing there are better collar and/or fitting options out there for you - my .02!
     
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  18. shirtsnob

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    I do understand you......

    but let me ask.......what do you think enables the others to stand up?..a stiffer collar point?....a stiffer collar band?...

    I have NEVER had a collar stay up......w/ or w/o collar viagra....never......all night?...nope

    btw...ever ask this to PC direct???...

    annnnnd, if there are brands that stand up effortlessly, its quite a feat.....really.
     
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  19. ericgereghty

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    @razl what collar/fabrics do you generally use? For me, I have vacillated between Milano II and Soft Roma Cutaway. I have a linen blend with a soft Roma (never again lol) which defaults to limp collar. On the other hand, I have two oxford cloths with soft Roma whose collars stand up exceptionally well.

    With the Milano II, None of the fabrics I've used (normally business-y fabrics) have achieved a consistently strong collar, which is a bit disappointing, as that collar looks awesome sans tie.

    In conclusion, my PC shirts also struggle in this area. In fairness, it's rarely an issue, as I'm infrequently wearing a shirt and jacket sans tie.

    Wish I could be of more help, or that a good solution could be arrived at.
     
  20. razl

    razl Senior member

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    I really don't know, but I ~suspect~ it has something magical* to do with the meeting of the placket and the collar than the collar itself. See "the collapse" picture, I think that area - right below the collar tabs - is the cornerstone that holds everything up. And when it goes, well...

    *no, I don't mean real magic, but tailors really are doing amazing feats with cloth and clever use of materials, geometry, and hard won experience.


    Not to beat up on you, but my experience is largely different; see my point above about other makers and/or maybe you're afflicted and didn't know it until now (maybe we both have a body build quirk that doesn't work well with PC's construction). You might be "suffering" too and just didn't realize it...


    No, and given this is my third outing, I probably should and stop dirtying/cluttering up the thread; I was hoping the collective experience here would have generated an "I had the exact same problem as you but then I did [this!] and all my PC collars have been perfect!" by now.
     
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