Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Seph, Feb 14, 2014.
can we get a pic? I am curious to see how the black denim looks. Thanks
Gonna wash it one more time then next time I wear it (which should be soon!) I'll get a pic up here. It will be good to also get some fit feedback, I definitely need to make some changes.
Here is my denim shirt. Any suggestions on fit?
Would that make it tighter in my armpit? That's what I'm afraid of.
As long as you aren't changing the pit-to-pit measurement, then I don't think so. That's just my $0.02.
I'm no expert but I don't think you need to lengthen the sleeve if you shorten the yoke as the sleeve measurement is from the center of the yoke and not from the shoulder seam. Certainly Proper Cloth can help. They have provided outstanding service for me on well over a dozen shirts and will really work hard to get you the right fit. Brittany has been great to deal with on making adjustments.
I received my first Proper Cloth shirt and I'm seeking your advices as to how I can improve the fit and get perfect measurements stored for futures orders.
I ordered a shirt made with the Ivory fine twill, English spread collar (I would've went with the President or Milano II spread but this shirt was made intentionally to be worn with a black bow tie, hence the classic-er collar), Tuxedo front placket, side pleats and French cuffs (onyx studs and cufflinks not yet acquired so not pictured). I also paid for MOP buttons.
I'll post the pictures first and my comments afterward (please excuse the out of focus pictures, I had no remote control and had to rely on camera timer and luck):
What I like:
- Basic measurements are dead on; collar diameter, yoke width, shirt length, cuff diameter, sleeve length, etc., are according to measurements. Collar is a tad loose but I haven't washed the shirt yet and Proper Cloth assures that the collar should shrink ¼-½" which would make it perfect - not too tight, not too loose.
- Fabric feels good for one of their cheaper fabric (95$) and construction is of quality. Please keep in my I don't have experience with higher-end shirts such as Finamore, Barba, and the likes so I can't compare.
- Customer service and turnaround time are perfectly acceptable. Website is a joy to use.
What could be improved:
- There's a lot of excess fabric in the midsection area. Still, I measured myself, got myself measured by my fiancee and double checked our measures. I checked the Slim Fit option so I'm not sure why the fit is so baggy.
- I went with the Normal shoulder insertion but Slim forearm option. It gives the sleeve a too much aggressive taper (IMHO). Since there's some excess fabric in the shoulder area, I may have the shirt remade with the Tailored shoulder fit option. Maybe it will help reduce the sleeve wrinkles in the same time. Should I reduce sleeve length by 1"? I'm afraid that they appear the right length only because the cuffs lay against my wrist bone/hand junction.
- I checked the Normal neck option but I think I should've checked the Backward neck option. There's a bump of fabric that bothers me, as if the yoke regurgitates over the back of the collar. Would checking the Backward neck option (½" or a full inch) would resolve the problem? It's hard to notice on the less-than-stellar blurry pictures I've submitted.
I'll cross-post this post in the Tailor's thread to get more replies.
Thanks guys and don't be afraid to hurt my feelings. I'm okay with critics.
Hi BolognaFingers, Thanks for sharing the fit pics! Looks light you're really close here, but I'd still update your fit across the shoulders. I'd make the yoke .75" smaller, since the shoulders are hanging off of your natural shoulder line a bit (this won't make the armhole sit any higher, don't worry!). You won't need to adjust the sleeve length at all--we do our measurement from the back of the neck so if you change your yoke it won't change the sleeve length. Other than that the shirt looks really good. You could update the fit in the arm to be a little slimmer, but that will definitely make the armhole feel tighter--not sure if that's something you'd like to do. Chris
Has anyone experienced it where the chest of their shirt is a tad close/tight (but still wearable) but then the bottom shirt tail on the back is so it kind of hugs your rear and makes the shirt bunch up weird on your back? Like there is no drape to it. I don't think it would be too bad if it is tucked in, but untucked it looks weird.
that is called. Shirt is too tight at the hips!
Dangit, I thought it was too tight. Is there a measurement for hips in the Proper Cloth patterns? I don't recall seeing that option even...
What's the word with wearing these shirts untucked? I'd love to get a nice fitted oxford, but I don't want it to look like I'm wearing a dress shirt when I wear it untucked, which would be most of the time, since I have enough dress shirts to get by, I need more casual shirts.
I think the key is to have some shirts made (specifically) with the intent of being worn untucked. The common rule is to have them made 2" shorter than your dress (thus tucked) shirts. You don't want your casual shirts to cover your whole behind.
I got mine shorter. I can tuck it, but its not ideal, and I only do so at work, where its casual but I need to tuck.
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