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Many, many factors can be at play here. Fabric, collar style, fit of the collar (neck size and posture setting), and if you're wearing it with/without a jacket.

The new "President Spread 3" collar does change the shape and construction slightly - and we've found it helps with this particular issue.
If I have trouble with the ‘Soft Ivy BD’, should I try the ‘Button Down 2’ - maybe more stiffness would help?
 

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If I have trouble with the ‘Soft Ivy BD’, should I try the ‘Button Down 2’ - maybe more stiffness would help?
Possibly, but I'm not sure - Soft Ivy generally stands up fine since it's a button down. Would need to better understand how it's "collapsing".
 

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The new "President Spread 3" collar does change the shape and construction slightly - and we've found it helps with this particular issue.
I enjoyed the original version which had 3/8" tie space, then it got revised to 1/4"

Returning to the original spec there would be an improvement and more true to the English style on which it is based
 

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I enjoyed the original version which had 3/8" tie space, then it got revised to 1/4"

Returning to the original spec there would be an improvement and more true to the English style on which it is based
Interesting. That part is not changing for President Spread 3. Personally I prefer the smaller 1/4" space. English Spread will continue to be 3/8" tie space - but of course you know that has the shorter point lengths.
 

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well, the best would be to be able to get that English collar with its 3/8" tie space, shorter points, and the President-style taller collar band. I know we're splitting hairs at this point but that would get my vote.
 

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Would need to better understand how it's "collapsing".
Have been enticed to get more PC shirts many times over but have haven't specifically because of this.
 

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Have been enticed to get more PC shirts many times over but have haven't specifically because of this.
Do you have any photos that are actually of yourself? There are tons of idiosyncrasies of fit that could cause this and it's impossible to judge from reading text or looking at stock photos.
 

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Do you have any photos that are actually of yourself? There are tons of idiosyncrasies of fit that could cause this and it's impossible to judge from reading text or looking at stock photos.
Unfortunately, with PC shirts, I do not. They've long since been passed to charity. Would have been happy to provide some at the time, but alas.

That said, while I'm not disagreeing with you that the cause may be one and/or many minutiae, it baffles me that all my better Italian OTR shirts - Mazzarelli, Inglese, Finamore, Borriello most notably - don't have that problem at all. And, again, seemingly regardless of fabric, placket or not, collar dimensions, etc. Granted, I understand those makers are producing shirts at a different level - but it can be done for me from a range of makers, OTR, without super special considerations.

Again - like I said repeatedly in my previous post links above - not knocking PC; I just wish there was a known remedy/fix that gave me enough confidence to roll the dice again.
 

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Unfortunately, with PC shirts, I do not. They've long since been passed to charity. Would have been happy to provide some at the time, but alas.

That said, while I'm not disagreeing with you that the cause may be one and/or many minutiae, it baffles me that all my better Italian OTR shirts - Mazzarelli, Inglese, Finamore, Borriello most notably - don't have that problem at all. And, again, seemingly regardless of fabric, placket or not, collar dimensions, etc. Granted, I understand those makers are producing shirts at a different level - but it can be done for me from a range of makers, OTR, without super special considerations.

Again - like I said repeatedly in my previous post links above - not knocking PC; I just wish there was a known remedy/fix that gave me enough confidence to roll the dice again.
So I am one of several customers in this thread who will regularly throw out a request or voice their wish list so I get the desire to resolve this issue but I think PC are gonna have a tough time figuring it out without even a photo to show what’s going on. I suspect there’s some element of neck adjustment and collar selection that will either “cause” or “fix” this problem for you but currently we’d just be speculating without some evidence to look at. Certainly this is not happening for everyone.

Here’s a recent photo of myself for example. This is the President 2 collar. I think it stands up well enough, though I can also say it does even better if you raise the top button an inch:

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Not really sure to improve the fit of that collar @StanleyVanBuren great fit! I have also found success raising the top button, but honestly I have become less obsessive about the “perfect fit” and started focusing more on interesting fabrics and styles. If it fits, it fits. Carry on
 

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So I am one of several customers in this thread who will regularly throw out a request or voice their wish list so I get the desire to resolve this issue but I think PC are gonna have a tough time figuring it out without even a photo to show what’s going on. I suspect there’s some element of neck adjustment and collar selection that will either “cause” or “fix” this problem for you but currently we’d just be speculating without some evidence to look at. Certainly this is not happening for everyone.

Here’s a recent photo of myself for example. This is the President 2 collar. I think it stands up well enough, though I can also say it does even better if you raise the top button an inch:

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Nice. Hope to see the President Spread 3 on you soon. Should be even better.
 

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So I am one of several customers in this thread who will regularly throw out a request or voice their wish list so I get the desire to resolve this issue but I think PC are gonna have a tough time figuring it out without even a photo to show what’s going on. I suspect there’s some element of neck adjustment and collar selection that will either “cause” or “fix” this problem for you but currently we’d just be speculating without some evidence to look at. Certainly this is not happening for everyone.

Here’s a recent photo of myself for example. This is the President 2 collar. I think it stands up well enough, though I can also say it does even better if you raise the top button an inch:

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I think the desire is for the top two buttons to be open and still have the whole thing stand
 

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Ever since PC has changed the shirt body length algorithm, I've had an impossible time getting fits right. I care about hem length, especially in the front, because 90% of the time I wear the shirts untucked. I can no longer get the hem lengths accurate. Often they're off by over an inch. Which seems crazy for a company that's now advertising 0.1" precision.

I understand what PC says about the new sizing; I see the measurements in the form; I've confirmed with 3 different people (including Seph) that they don't compensate for shrinkage in the length—which is also crazy, but that's another topic.

Every shirt I've ordered since the change has been longer than I requested in the front, with the exception of one square-hemmed short-sleeve shirt. I'd compensate, except the differences are all over the map, ranging from 1/4" to 1-1/2".

I'm no loner comfortable ordering a shirt. I have 20 PC shirts, and felt very much in control of the process, and now it just feels like gambling. I have a $100 credit with company, thanks to buying so many shirts, and I don't feel comfortable cashing in, because I have no idea what I'm going to get. No one I've written to at the company has indicated that they have any idea what I'm talking about.

@Seph, please help. I want to keep giving you my business but I'm stuck. The last shirt I ordered is a total loss and I don't wish to repeat.
 

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Here’s today. Collar is soft president cutaway, fabric is the performance knit. I often see fusing as the suggestion to get the collar to stay standing but this has no fusing anywhere:

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I credit the wide spread of the collar here because the points don’t compete with the jacket lapels for real estate.
 

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