Proper Cloth - Official Affiliate Thread

[shirtsnob]

looks like colo bd!
somebody had asked about the collar on that white bd recently

 

[jong875]

Is anyone else having trouble getting in contact with proper cloth? No one will answer the phone the last 4 days and the inbox is full. Also, no one is responding back to my emails.

 

[ericgereghty]

Is anyone else having trouble getting in contact with proper cloth? No one will answer the phone the last 4 days and the inbox is full. Also, no one is responding back to my emails.

Nope. Emailed them on a insignificant inquiry after reading this, and they actually got back to me within the hour.

 

[razl]

Once again being enticed by the new materials that PC has on offer (I'm still on their mailing list), I'm re-asking this again since before - both in '15 here and in '16 here - I never really got a clear response from anyone... Not trying to beat a dead horse, just hoping that someone who successfully went from a similar situation as mine can confirm or deny better results since. Note that I realize that most people didn't have the problem to begin with, so clearly it's a specialized problem...

In short - has anyone who had trouble with PC collars collapsing - specifically the Roma and President varieties - since found them to be better? I had 2 or 3 shirts that all ended up going to charity specifically because of collar collapse and am hoping they've improved production and/or added options have remedied the problem. See my 2 links above for previous discussions/info but I'm trying to make sure my collars do this:

and not end up like this:

By way of comparison, my Barba, Finamore, and Borrelli's perform perfectly like the former, while all my PCs were like the latter (even without a jacket, sigh).

 

[venividivicibj]

Wont all shirts collapse to some extent without a jacket?

 

[shirtsnob]

Quote:
I would say yes! and that pic of Bond.....you need to tug on a collar all night to keep it up like that.

 

[razl]



Wont all shirts collapse to some extent without a jacket?

I would say yes!

I'll grant that the Brosnan pic is the ideal and, yes, it's probably posed perfectly for that pic.

But my counter point is the more important one - the collapsed picture. I have collars that never, ever - repeat: never, ever, ever - do that: Mazzarrelli, Inglese, Barba, Finamore, Truzzi, Canali, Zegna, etc. In real life at any moment they present about 80% as well as the Brosnan pic. Yet all (2 or 3?) of my PCs flattened: every. single. time. They didn't wear under a jacket for 10 secs without flattening and, even sans jacket, went about 2 minutes of motion before they did.

Again, not trying to beat up on PC, I'm hoping the problem that plagued me is fixed! I'm constantly enticed with their emails and, other than the collar, thought the shirts were well made and a good bang for the buck - I want to give them more of my money! - but the flattened collar is a 100% deal breaker.

and that pic of Bond.....you need to tug on a collar all night to keep it up like that.

See, I wonder if you're afflicted by the same thing and don't realize it (PC shirts or otherwise) . I have plenty of shirts that wear about as well as the Brosnan pic (like I said, about 80% as well), and don't require collar tugging. My PC collars required fiddling like that constantly because they fell like the second pic. I suspect you might be struggling with similar challenges and not realizing there are better collar and/or fitting options out there for you - my .02!

 

[shirtsnob]

I do understand you......

but let me ask.......what do you think enables the others to stand up?..a stiffer collar point?....a stiffer collar band?...

I have NEVER had a collar stay up......w/ or w/o collar viagra....never......all night?...nope

btw...ever ask this to PC direct???...

annnnnd, if there are brands that stand up effortlessly, its quite a feat.....really.

 

[ericgereghty]

@razl what collar/fabrics do you generally use? For me, I have vacillated between Milano II and Soft Roma Cutaway. I have a linen blend with a soft Roma (never again lol) which defaults to limp collar. On the other hand, I have two oxford cloths with soft Roma whose collars stand up exceptionally well.

With the Milano II, None of the fabrics I've used (normally business-y fabrics) have achieved a consistently strong collar, which is a bit disappointing, as that collar looks awesome sans tie.

In conclusion, my PC shirts also struggle in this area. In fairness, it's rarely an issue, as I'm infrequently wearing a shirt and jacket sans tie.

Wish I could be of more help, or that a good solution could be arrived at.

 

[razl]



I do understand you......

but let me ask.......what do you think enables the others to stand up?..a stiffer collar point?....a stiffer collar band?...

I really don't know, but I ~suspect~ it has something magical* to do with the meeting of the placket and the collar than the collar itself. See "the collapse" picture, I think that area - right below the collar tabs - is the cornerstone that holds everything up. And when it goes, well...

*no, I don't mean real magic, but tailors really are doing amazing feats with cloth and clever use of materials, geometry, and hard won experience.

I have NEVER had a collar stay up......w/ or w/o  collar viagra....never......all night?...nope
annnnnd, if there are brands that stand up effortlessly, its quite a feat.....really.

Not to beat up on you, but my experience is largely different; see my point above about other makers and/or maybe you're afflicted and didn't know it until now (maybe we both have a body build quirk that doesn't work well with PC's construction). You might be "suffering" too and just didn't realize it...

btw...ever ask this to PC direct???...

No, and given this is my third outing, I probably should and stop dirtying/cluttering up the thread; I was hoping the collective experience here would have generated an "I had the exact same problem as you but then I did [this!] and all my PC collars have been perfect!" by now.

 

[razl]



@razl
 what collar/fabrics do you generally use? For me, I have vacillated between Milano II and Soft Roma Cutaway. I have a linen blend with a soft Roma (never again lol) which defaults to limp collar. On the other hand, I have two oxford cloths with soft Roma whose collars stand up exceptionally well.

With the Milano II, None of the fabrics I've used (normally business-y fabrics) have achieved a consistently strong collar, which is a bit disappointing, as that collar looks awesome sans tie.

In conclusion, my PC shirts also struggle in this area. In fairness, it's rarely an issue, as I'm infrequently wearing a shirt and jacket sans tie. 

Wish I could be of more help, or that a good solution could be arrived at.

Good input and appreciated - my experience was with Roma (standard) and President Spread (if I remember correctly) and with 2-ply business'y materials that I thought would be both stiffer, lighter, and less "drape'y" and help rather than hinder the "proud" collar look. So I've already given it my best go and, without wanting to throw more money at it without a better strategy, sit on the fence frustrated!

 

[ofasho]

Once again being enticed by the new materials that PC has on offer (I'm still on their mailing list), I'm re-asking this again since before - both in '15 here and in '16 here - I never really got a clear response from anyone... Not trying to beat a dead horse, just hoping that someone who successfully went from a similar situation as mine can confirm or deny better results since. Note that I realize that most people didn't have the problem to begin with, so clearly it's a specialized problem...

In short - has anyone who had trouble with PC collars collapsing - specifically the Roma and President varieties - since found them to be better? I had 2 or 3 shirts that all ended up going to charity specifically because of collar collapse and am hoping they've improved production and/or added options have remedied the problem. See my 2 links above for previous discussions/info but I'm trying to make sure my collars do this:


and not end up like this:


By way of comparison, my Barba, Finamore, and Borrelli's perform perfectly like the former, while all my PCs were like the latter (even without a jacket, sigh).

It's something about their shirts. I've decided that all my PC shirts I'll simply wear a tie because I also can't deal with their collapsing collar without one. I do love their shirts and at my job, ties are pretty normal so it's not a big deal. I stick to my other shirts to rock without a tie.

 

[aspasp]

Which other brands do you use that don't have that same collapsing collar issue?

 

[Creasy729]

Fwiw, I have found that raising the top button placement helps tremendously with the collapsing. It won't help if you want more than one button undone, but I have found that it makes a big difference on my roma spread shirts that I wear for work. It's not really an issue I worry about with casual shirts since I tend to use the soft ivy button down that stands up well in my experience.

 

[ofasho]

Which other brands do you use that don't have that same collapsing collar issue?

Because I'm a 15 1/2 - 38 I can't buy shirts off the rank so my shirts outside of PC are bespoke.

Call me crazy but I go to Bangkok and get shirts made. Same price or cheaper, high quality, and I get to visit one of my favorite SE Asian countries.

http://www.bangkok101.com/perrys/