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Poulsen skone

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by JErwin, Mar 26, 2004.

  1. JErwin

    JErwin Active Member

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    Hello. Great forum. Question: I always thought that E. Green made Poulsen Skone shoes, but a friend that just got back from London told me that the guy he talked to at New and Lingwood (hearsay, I know) said that they are now producing the PS RTW shoe line themselves. Can anyone verify this? If so, do you know whether this is good or bad? In other words, how do you think PS's shoes compare to EG? There is a PS model I'm interested in, but I was more comfortable when I thought it was just a rebranded EG shoe. I understand that PS used to make outstanding shoes, but I'm curious to know if that's still the case. Thanks for the help.
     
  2. shoefan

    shoefan Senior member

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    This is BS. New & Lingwood most assuredly does not have a factory in Northampton. I believe the Poulsen shoes are made by Grenson. Having looked at them, they're not bad looking, but they're not up to the Green level of quality.
     
  3. JErwin

    JErwin Active Member

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    Thanks for the info, shoefan. The price for the PS pair isn't dramatically different than a pair of E Greens I'm looking at (395 vs. 410 pounds), though the wait may be less. In light of that, I think I'd rather have the better-made product, even if it takes six months to arrive.
     
  4. spalla

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    shoefan

    Poulsens are indeed Grenson Masterpiece series shoes. Not quite up to EG standards but very good shoes.
     
  5. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Now I'm confused. Which Poulsen shoes are we talking about?? In previous discussions it seemed to be the consensus that the Poulsen & Skone line that Dunhill carries are done by Grenson, while the Poulsen & Skone line sold at New & Lingwood are done by Edward Green. Is this correct??
     
  6. spalla

    spalla Member

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    A Harris,

    The New & Lingwoods are Grenson Masterpiece, absolutely sure.

    Cheers
     
  7. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That's the problem with all "private label" products. One season they are sourced from X, next season they are supplied by Y. Sometimes retailers change suppliers for the best of reasons: higher quality and better delivery and sometimes they change to someone cheaper to increase profits.

    I don't know where the latest supply of Poulsen Skone shoes comes from. I don't like the staff at New & Lingwood and I haven't been inside the shop for quite a while. But the question is, if N & L has changed manufacturers from Edward Green to Grenson for their Poulsen Skone shoes, did the prices come down accordingly? The wholesale price of EG shoes is definitely higher than for Grenson shoes.
     
  8. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think they pulled a fast one. If you look at the shoes they have posted on their website, several of the models have a toe shape that is unmistakeably Grenson. They even kept the Grenson model name for the double monk strap model - Felstead. Yet they cost 395 GBP..
     
  9. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    But their Adelaide cap-toe model is called by the same name that EG uses for theirs: the Canterbury. It and the Oxford Medallion (not nearly as pretty as the Vass version, by the way) both have a round-toe last that looks somewhat similar to the EG 202. If they're EG shoes, £395 is a good price (although not that good). If they're Grenson Masterpieces, £395 is a terrible price. Ultimately, I decided that it simply wasn't worth the risk.

    In light of spalla's definitive statement that they're Grenson shoes, I'm glad I hesitated.
     
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  11. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    At one time the Poulsen Skone range was definitely produced by Edward Green. But people change suppliers all the time for a variety of good and not so good reasons. It is possible (as the PS models don't seem to go into the sale) that some older EG models rub shoulders with newer Grenson models.

    Jcusey: you might be right that the Oxford Medallion is still EG (it certainly was at one time). The model (probably one of Mr Cleverley's designs) is interesting as it appears to be a Galoshes Oxford/Balmoral (where the vamp is taken right through to the heel), but actually it is a whole cut. The vamp looks like a separate piece; bit is actually only a row of topstitching. (Cleverley even made whole cuts to look like wing tip brogues.)

    Bic Pentameter: the "Felstead" from Pediwear comes in an F fitting while the N & L model comes in an E. I'm pretty certain it is the same model. It might be a different leather, but I somewhat doubt it.
     
  12. naturlaut

    naturlaut Senior member

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    I once saw a pair of Jodhpur boots that resemble Alfred Sargent's. Otherwise, pretty much all the English shoes are Grensons. The Italian Dunhill shoes are bad....
     
  13. VMan

    VMan Senior member

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    Who makes Dunhill shoes (sorry if I missed it in the recent discussions)?

    For some reason, with the high prices of Dunhill clothing, accessories, smoking accessories, and luxury gifts (a $4500 leather case that holds a single champagne bottle and two champagne flutes, plus a bottle opener...how can that realistically cost $4500???), I would expect Dunhill items to be well-made, especially since nobody pays the premium for a fashion-forward name (like they do with Prada).
     
  14. naturlaut

    naturlaut Senior member

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    Grenson makes most of the English-made shoes at Dunhill. I don't know who is making the Italian casual shoes.

    Actually, carry a gigantic price tag doesn't guarantee quality. When you pay premium of a designer item (be it a piece of clothing or as mundane as a key chain) you are also paying for the brand's marketing, rent, sales force, etc.. So, the price tag is proportional to the investment spent in polishing the brand image.

    I just had my first custom Zegna Napoli shirt, and it costs $525. Is it significantly better than Ascot Chang or others? I will tell you when I get it in 6 weeks. But one thing for sure, I won't be placing as many orders in Zegna even though the hand finishing LOOKS beautiful. I did spend more time measuring at Zegna than in Ascot Chang. At AC it was kind of a quick process (quicker still when re-ordering), while at Zegna everything was so exact we almost got into a small 'fight' over the left and right sleeve length. Whatever it is, Adrian Brody should thank me for contributing a little bit to his wealth, while the seamstresses who are actually making the shirt probably live on peanut butter sandwiches. Alright, Italian home-made peanut butter probably tastes better than Skippy, but still...
     

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