Policy and Opinion:Inter-Forum Copying

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Alexander Kabbaz, Dec 19, 2004.

  1. Alexander Kabbaz

    Alexander Kabbaz Senior member

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    Most of us are members of both J's StyleForum.net and AskAndyAboutClothes.com. To the best of my knowledge and basic searching abilities, neither Andy nor J have expressed an opinion on the subject of duplicating threads. I, for one, should like clarification as to whether there is any policy or preference on their part in this regard.

    As for my opinion, I believe that the two Fora* are different. Each has its own character, strengths, and weaknesses. I don't usually copy my posts from one to the other although I admit occasionally making reference or providing a link.

    In the absence of policy, perhaps members would care to offer their thoughts on this subject. I am making the exception and posting this on both platforms.

    *Thank you, BostHist and ViroBono for the education in the fineries of Latin
     


  2. ViroBono

    ViroBono Senior member

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    I have come across this situation before, in another subject. The owner of one of the sites seems to have a problem with the other, though this is not reciprocated. Thus, any post mentioning the offending forum is deleted. All very tedious and petty, really.

    In the case of StyleForum and AskAndy, it would be useful to be able to cross-reference and occasionally include a link. This would preserve the difference between them whilst enabling members of one to look at subjects of interest on the other.

    The plural of forum is fora, by the way, though nowadays forums seems perfectly acceptable.
     


  3. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    Well, I know not if this comes as a direct result of my ever so recent post: http://www.styleforum.net/cgi-bin....;t=7235 In which I posted a copy of 3 posts regarding the art of Neapolitan bespoke tailoring in which I thoroughly took pleasure in and of which perhaps members of this forum missed but would rather partake in as well in its erudition and enjoyment. Or rather for some other unrelated matter altogether. Nonetheless, regarding my post I not only gave the author his much deserved credit but as well posted a copy of the URL where the original post could be found. Obviously, I for one think that if one follows citing procedures similar to those required by Universities and Colleges on the forum when copying regarding text found in other forums and credits the author and provides with source information, such postings are valid and applicable, whilst keeping respect and honor amongst the board. Jon.
     


  4. AlanC

    AlanC Minister of Trad

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    Is this the case? As a regular poster on both I was unaware of it.
     


  5. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    (ViroBono @ 19 Dec. 2004, 5:04) The owner of one of the sites seems to have a problem with the other, though this is not reciprocated. Thus, any post mentioning the offending forum is deleted. All very tedious and petty, really.
    Is this the case? As a regular poster on both I was unaware of it.
    I believe what was implied is that the owner of another forum regarding an off-topic not inclusive of SF and AA. Alas, I must also add that Andy posts here and nor J nor Steve seem to have any particular problem with that (as far as I know, not that I am privy to any information, just surmising my perception). Jon.
     


  6. ViroBono

    ViroBono Senior member

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    In my original post, I referred to two sites entirely unconnected with StyleForum or AskAndy; indeed, they are to do with another subject altogether. My apologies if this was not clear.
     


  7. j

    j (stands for Jerk) Admin

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    I don't mind if people want to post threads here that are duplicated exactly from Andy's. If they feel members here might be interested or have valuable input, then the post is welcome. They may want to point out in such threads that a separate discussion is going on elsewhere, to allow everyone reading to get the maximum benefit.

    As for my "Andy-himself" policy, there really isn't one; there was some question as to the propriety of his username here (which is his website's address) and my policy was that I simply don't care. It's not like we are really competing- I like to think the two fora have a synergistic effect. Personally, I ask my questions and participate only here, because I only have enough time to do so in one forum. He participates here, and his insights are valuable, so I don't mind his mentioning his website as many others do.

    To answer you (Alex) directly: I would appreciate your posting at least your "articles" here, so that I and others can read them. As I said, I don't get over to Andy's much, and I wouldn't want to miss out.
     


  8. Renault78law

    Renault78law Senior member

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    I'm not sure I understand your question.

    Are you asking whether members deem it appropriate to post a question concurrently on the styleforum and askandy? If so, it think it's completely appropriate.

    If you're asking whether it's ok to copy someone else's post, in it's entirety, from one forum to another, IMO I think it's completely inappropriate, and a clear violation of copyright law. A partial post copy, transfered interforum, for the sake of discussion seems ok, but to copy an entire post without express permission from the original poster seems wrong to me.
     


  9. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    Let me see if I understand:

    In your opinion it's ok to copy a partial post without citing the author, yet it's not ok to copy a whole post even if the author is citied and receives credit?

    Jon.
     


  10. retronotmetro

    retronotmetro Senior member

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    (Renault78law @ 20 Dec. 2004, 12:56) I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking whether members deem it appropriate to post a question concurrently on the styleforum and askandy? Â If so, it think it's completely appropriate. If you're asking whether it's ok to copy someone else's post, in it's entirety, from one forum to another, IMO I think it's completely inappropriate, and a clear violation of copyright law. Â A partial post copy, transfered interforum, for the sake of discussion seems ok, but to copy an entire post without express permission from the original poster seems wrong to me.
    Let me see if I understand: In your opinion it's ok to copy a partial post without citing the author, yet it's not ok to copy a whole post even if the author is citied and receives credit? Jon.
    I think he's applying the fair use doctrine. To state it (overy) simply, the partial reproduction of a copyrighted work for purposes of academic discussion is not copyright infringement (even without the copyright holder's permission), but total duplication of a copyrighted work without consent is infringement.
     


  11. Renault78law

    Renault78law Senior member

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    In my opinion, any copying of posts (whether full or partial) interforum should be cited.

    Under US copyright law, the interforum copying of an entire work is a clear violation, regardless of whether a citation is given. The copying of a partial work for the sake of discussion is probably not be a violation of copyright law.
     


  12. j

    j (stands for Jerk) Admin

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    I had assumed we were talking about an original poster's choice to post on both (or many) fora. In the case of citing/copying another post from another forum or source, effort should be made to obtain permission before copying an entire post, and a proper citation and attribution (with link) should be done for copying part of a post for discussion. This is pretty standard. If there is no response to a reasonable effort, I don't know why a simple link to the article or post couldn't suffice, assuming the article is easily accessible. However when access is an issue, it's kind of a gray area. For example, copying "premium content" would be a violation that the owner might consider actionable, while copying content that is behind a registration-wall that is simply annoying (like the NYT), or that is on an overloaded server, seems reasonable, as long as it would be immediately removed upon the originator's request.
     


  13. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

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    Yeah, I started to wonder if j hated Andy or Andy hated j before I re-read the post and noticed the clause "in another subject."
     


  14. j

    j (stands for Jerk) Admin

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    (ViroBono @ 19 Dec. 2004, 6:36) In my original post, I referred to two sites entirely unconnected with StyleForum or AskAndy; indeed, they are to do with another subject altogether. Â My apologies if this was not clear.
    Yeah, I started to wonder if j hated Andy or Andy hated j before I re-read the post and noticed the clause "in another subject."
    Me too. [​IMG]
     


  15. Steve B.

    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    I enjoy reading Andy's Forum, and post there very occasionally. Unfortunately have the same time constraints J. has, plus the recent computer ones. [​IMG]
     


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