Pocket Square Review: an Ongoing Series

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. DerekS

    DerekS Guyliner

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    just buy a white PS. goes with everything. [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
  2. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Note how the guy on the left is picking up the golden yellow stripe in his tie with a similar colored PS.

    ***Disclaimer : HRH Prince Charles' style in Pocket Squares might not be that of the OP***

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  3. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Neither are you.

    Don't be infantile. Do you seriously believe fallible people can't share opinions and thoughts? And famous fallible people's opinions are more valid? My fallibility is only an issue if you can't think for yourself.

    But hey, if you're happy staring at black-and-white photos of dead celebrities to figure out what looks good, that's your prerogative.

    That you're wrong about white shirt/white pocket square. I would have thought that rather obvious.

    Conclusion assumed.

    That is only your preference sonny boy. The complex pattern of his tie is the ideal compliment to solid blue plus solid white PS.

    Oh is it? That's the same reasoning that gets people to buy $300 Hermes ties with cartoon ducks and little H's on them.

    Can texture provide the distinction in a pocket square you believe is needed to make it a worthwhile addition to an outfit (as opposed to wearing a "matching" square just for the sake of wearing one)?

    Yes, texture plays a huge role. But I think it is most often incapable of compensating for colors that are a near match to each other.
     
  4. TheWraith

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    I didn't say you couldn't express your opinion. But don't go around claiming it as fact, as you often do.

    Dead celebrities with tonnes more class than you, foo. Yes, I don't mind admiring men such as Grant, Astaire, Stewart etc. You don't even come close to them, mate.
     
  5. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Dead celebrities with tonnes more class than you, foo. Yes, I don't mind admiring men such as Grant, Astaire, Stewart etc. You don't even come close to them, mate.

    Neither do you, mate.
     
  6. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Oh is it? That's the same reasoning that gets people to buy $300 Hermes ties with cartoon ducks and little H's on them.


    Not sure I see the connection between your comment above and a solid blue shirt and solid white PS. Perhaps you could clarify?
     
  7. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Not sure I see the connection between your comment above and a solid blue shirt and solid white PS. Perhaps you could clarify?

    I'm saying that a very intricate, finely detailed tie does not compensate for a solid shirt, solid jacket, and solid square. It's too much 'this or that'. The tie becomes a focal point.
     
  8. Will C.

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    I too don't have much admiration for solid white shirts with solid white handkerchiefs, but that's partly because I just don't like solid white shirts period, in the daytime. On the other hand, solid + solid + solid is standard with black tie clothing... that's not to say that it can translate into daywear, the formality level being different.

    The advice about avoiding matching the primary tones to each other is good. The advice about matching the shirt and jacket to minor tones in the square is valuable, though not strictly necessary. It's possible at times for the square to simply harmonise with the other items, without any matching, clashing, and even without its minor accents 'picking up' other tones in the outfit.
     
  9. TheWraith

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    Oh is it? That's the same reasoning that gets people to buy $300 Hermes ties with cartoon ducks and little H's on them.
    Or the same reasoning one goes to Hermes to get a green breast wallet?
     
  10. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I'm saying that a very intricate, finely detailed tie does not compensate for a solid shirt, solid jacket, and solid square. It's too much 'this or that'. The tie becomes a focal point.

    To my eye it is a nice accent to an overall subtle outfit of solid grey, blue and navy as well as his full head of grey hair. I think it's a good look on him.
     
  11. acecow

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    Oi, don't fight, girls.

    In any case, I believe that clothing is first and foremost a fun hobby and should be viewed only as that. Some days I want a crazy outfit with yellow pants and a blue jacket and sometimes I feel like a conservative suit with a conservative shirt and tie. My point is that picking an outfit should, to some degree, be based on rules and color coordination, but should also be fun and frivolous. I'll say again that you are overthinking this too much. I'm not a Louvre painting and people don't scrutinize my outfit on a daily basis. If I feel like a white PS with a white shirt, then I'll wear it and look good, because I feel good about it.

    What you say is very subjective. How do you determine an outfit to be too contrasting or sharp? What if I want it to look that way? Who says I must look like some kind of idealized version of a human male perfectly dressed for every occasion? My style shows in small details. If everybody followed the same rules it would've been oh so boring. There are rules that make sense and then there are rules that don't. I think this discussion focuses more on the latter.
     
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    To my eye it is a nice accent to an overall subtle outfit of solid grey, blue and navy as well as his full head of grey hair. I think it's a good look on him.

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  13. mafoofan

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    The advice about matching the shirt and jacket to minor tones in the square is valuable, though not strictly necessary. It's possible at times for the square to simply harmonise with the other items, without any matching, clashing, and even without its minor accents 'picking up' other tones in the outfit.

    Of course. I didn't mean to say such was mandatory--merely that it is permissible.

    Or the same reasoning one goes to Hermes to get a green breast wallet?

    I can only assume that you knew I started this thread and that the title made it abundantly clear I'd be sharing my opinions in it. If my opinions are so worthless, you don't have to continue participating. If you're truly so desperate to impeach me, at least start your own damned thread. There's no need to follow me around the forum to jeer at me. Although, I've noticed that there is a contigency of members who like to do just that.
     
  14. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    What you say is very subjective. How do you determine an outfit to be too contrasting or sharp? What if I want it to look that way? Who says I must look like some kind of idealized version of a human male perfectly dressed for every occasion? My style shows in small details. If everybody followed the same rules it would've been oh so boring. There are rules that make sense and then there are rules that don't. I think this discussion focuses more on the latter.

    I can respect different viewpoints--in fact, I love thinking about them and debating them. But if you simply believe style is subjective, I don't see what there's to talk about at all, and I can't fathom why you'd want to participate in this kind of forum.
     
  15. TheWraith

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    I hardly follow you. Most of the time I barely notice you in this place, to be honest. But, if you're allowed to voice your opinion in this thread, then please allow me the courtesy to do likewise here in my disagreeing with you on the stated topic.
     

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