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Pocket square quality

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Stugotes, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Internet Bigtimer and Most Popular Man on Campus Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    yes yes and yes!

    Would you do them in all silk, or a wool/silk blend?
     
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    There are some beautiful unicorn tapestries at The Cloisters that would make as good prints.
     
  3. Sam Hober

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    Patrick Booth,

    Yes, there is an amazing tapestry set with an origin that is a mystery.

    From the New Yorker:

    "...An expert medieval weaver might need an hour to complete one square inch of a tapestry, which meant that in a good week he might finish a patch maybe eight inches on a side. The weavers were generally young men, and each Unicorn tapestry likely had a team of between four and six working on it..."

    So it sounds like 2 days work for the weaving of a pocket square, plus more time for the reeling and dyeing of the silk and rolling/sewing the edges lets say a week of skilled labor in total. So $1,000+ for a handwoven pocket square that is a collectable work of art.

    Of course if silk screened costs would drop to under $100. Costa would vary quite a bit based on how many were made and sold.


    SpooPoker,


    "yes yes and yes! Would you do them in all silk, or a wool/silk blend?"

    I would lean toward 100% silk as you would get more detail and color which is important to me.

    Perhaps we could use a madder finish to provide some more texture.

    I am still uncertain about silk weight and size as with a lighter silk we could go with a 16 or 16.5 inch size but a heavy twill silk with a madder finish is a great look but we would need to drop down to roughly 14.5 to 15 inches.
     
  4. HughJ

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    If I really love the pattern, I can overlook the premium should there be one, but I think the sweet spot is really $40-60 for good fabric, rolled edges and a nice design. I've paid anywhere from $6 to the low triple digits, but mostly between the 2 extremes.
     
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    Worth it.
     
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    To add David, the picture that appears on your tie boxes of the globe and such around it would make a great silk print as well.
     
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    RVR Neckwear make something similar. Tried to buy one, they didn't email me back :-(

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  8. RSS

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    Sam Hober:

    My preference would be a wool/silk ... but the all silk with a madder finish would in no way break the deal for me. I'd defer to your thoughs as to size based on the ultimately determined silk weight. A solid border is appealing.

    I am definitely interested. If you move this forward please let us know about patterns and colorways selected ... and deposits if you require.

    Silk screened I'd purchase a greater number for wear. Woven I'd limit my purchase and perhaps frame.
     
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  9. SpooPoker

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    I think we were separated at birth.
     
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    The Cloisters! Great Museum.
     
  11. deveandepot1

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    +1
     
  12. Sam Hober

    Sam Hober Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    RSS,

    Thank you for your thoughts.

    Wool has a nice texture but it limits the quality of the print so I hesitate to do a complex print on wool or a mixture.

    No deposits are requested.
     
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    If you do the Unicorn Tapestry, I'll definitely get one. Do you think you might do the same print in a few different colorways?
     
  14. Sam Hober

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    Imatlas,

    Yes, it would be a good idea to do a few different colorways.
     
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    For the PTO Gentlemen's Association, we managed to get prices down to about $45 per square, with shipping. Making them by hand in the US from top-of-the-line materials, there isn't really room for profit below that price point. I haven't seen Sam Hober's squares, but I do have one of their ties, and it's really excellent. I'm sure David's as careful with the squares as we are, though I imagine his labor cost's a little lower, being in a less-developed country.

    The "hand-rolled" that you can get for $20 on discount is sort of a different breed than what David and I are offering. There's definitely a difference. Whether that's important to you is another matter, of course. David calling it "rustic" was being kind.
     
  16. SpooPoker

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    Is this project green lighted?
     
  17. Sam Hober

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    Thank you for your kind words I have not seen your squares but I have seen your other creative efforts on the internet which are wonderful.

    Our pocket squares are indeed different in terms of construction in that we take 2+ hours per pocket square and they are custom made one by one by experts.

    Sadly we have between little to no cost savings from living in Thailand. All design, management, training and higher level skills are currently done by Americans. transportation costs and taxes are quite high also and so on...

    SpooPoker,

    I am still considering adding art prints to our pocket square range. I have another bigger project currently underway.
     
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    As noted, SH, this would not be a deal breaker. I'm certainly interested in various colorways.

    I too am wondering the same. For some reason the unicorn tapestry design is my favorite, perhaps because of the way it features some colors with only hints & glimmers of others. This is not so say other designs don't do this, but they seen not to do it as beautifully.

    I just found one of the Drakes (gold with brown border) left over at Ben Silver. Its ordered.
     
  19. SpooPoker

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    Well, now you have to spill the beans.
     
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    Well, if brothers swap clothing as per sisters ... you know which trousers I want to borrow.
     

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