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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Earthmover, Apr 7, 2005.

  1. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Fine, Manton. Â I hereby retract my statement re. flatfront trousers and replace it with the the following. While there are flat front trousers designed to be worn at the natural waist, in general, they are designed to sit just above the hips, and significantly below the natural waist. Â This is the case for these particular trousers. Â You can wear them Steve Urkle style, above the natural waist, if you'd like, but you'd look like a dork and be mighty unconfortable to boot. Edit: It's Urkle, not Irkle, as Manton points out below.
     


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    rofl.

    I think the sleeve lengths should be brought up a little, and the pants brought down a little. Look at the tension in the crotch, it looks like a perma-wedge. This comment is free from any "fashionista" inclinations; the pants simply look like they are pulled higher than they are cut to be, as denoted by the crease in the trousers as LA Guy pointed out, and the pocket design, which looks to fit a lower-rise style.

    A picture from a further distance or on less inclined angle may provide us with better material for criticism. I am a little reluctant to make any judgements when the camera angle may be screwing up the balance. The fastened button is a little too high for my taste, and the too-long tie is only serving to augment that possible shortcoming.
     


  3. Alexander Kabbaz

    Alexander Kabbaz Distinguished Member

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    Sorry, Patrick, had to defend country and client (even dead ones) first.

    Alan Flusser is by no means stodgy. His style concepts are not mine. Nonetheless, for those adherents they are exciting, colorful, innovative, and consistent. About the only thing Mr. Flusser may have in common with Mr. Clooney is an affinity for Move On Dot Org ... and that is total supposition based in complete lack of knowledge.
     


  4. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Now that's just mean. Â And it's Urkle, not Irkle. Â Uh ... don't ask me how I know that.
    Note, above, that I said all belted trousers should be worn just below the natural waist, not above.
     


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    Brian SD Moderator

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    Also there is a little billowing of fabric where it is tucked into the pants - perhaps tucking them down tighter would help solve this, but in any case it is causing the suit to have a weird-looking bulge just below your waist on your right side.
     


  6. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Yet surprisingly close to the mark ...
     


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    Alex, you *are* trying to make us laugh, aren't you? [​IMG]
     


  8. Alexander Kabbaz

    Alexander Kabbaz Distinguished Member

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    Hey - it's my lucky day. Double-teamed by Moderators. Betcha nobody else is that privileged.
     


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    The worry and the desire to get more information got to me. I put the suit on again, this time without the tie. The pictures are still awful, but at least the suit is in its full glory. More comments welcome. [​IMG] [​IMG] Here's the back; I took out the thread in the vents, and no, I have no idea what my left hand is doing. [​IMG] This is a very good learning experience for me, so I really appreciate it. Thank you.
     


  10. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    The coat is clearly too long by a significant amount -- possibly as much as 2".  And it's not just that it's too long for you; it's too long for itself: the skirt is too long in relation to the chest and waist.

    The rest of the body looks a little better in these shots, but the back balance still looks off.  To really know if the back balance is correct, and how the vents hang, I would need to see you shot from the side.  BTW, one of the vents is open in that shot because the underside cloth is folded outward.
     


  11. LA Guy

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    Hey Alex, You know what would be funny?  A certain other poster once had the temerity to bring personal communications into a public arena.  That thread ended with a lockdown.  But before it did so, there were many innuendos to various ethnic groups and their alleged sexual, um capabilities.  Now, it would be an gross abuse of authority to do so, and so I would never even suggest it be done; but if said poster was to do so again, it would be funny if all references to "insecure complexed Chinese" were suddenly replaced by "Mighty Chinese Warlord."  If the word "fashionista", used in a derogatory sense was replaced with the same, the comedy might even be better  [​IMG]
     


  12. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    On a *serious* note, I think that the 56R (EU) would probably be much better. A lot of RTW makers use a R as a fit model, and just sort of hatchet job the longs. Combine that tendency with the fact that Isaia tends to cut a relatively long skirted jacket anyway, and the jacket can come out looking a little unbalanced. I expect that the R jacket would look much better, and not just on you.
     


  13. Patrick Bateman

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    In my experience clothing firms of Isaia's reputation do not "hatchet job" anything, and in producing their clothing they pay little heed to what a "lot of RTW makers" do. Suppose I were to post in the charmingly named "Streetwear" forum that since Levi's does not inspect the seams on their $30 Wal-Mart jeans with great care, then PDC or Nudie jeans must have quality-control issues. You would rightly call that line of thinking ridiculous.
     


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    Here's a link to an EBay seller who is offering Isaia suits in both a EU 56R and also in a EU56L, with accompanying measurements. You might want to compare the measurements on these two suits (assuming they're the same model as yours). The regular size jacket seems to be about 1.4" shorter than the long . Can't tell whether shortening the jacket length by 1.4" will be enough or whether the other measurements will make an improvement. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....me=WD1V EDIT: If I were you, I'd check the sleeve measurements on the regular Isaia.
     


  15. Alexander Kabbaz

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    LAGuy - on a *serious* note: please explain yourself.
     


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