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Perception of young guy smoking cigars.

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by ozymandias, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. Fuuma

    Fuuma Franchouillard Modasse

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    I don't give a fuck what everyone else is drinking, if i want a scotch, I'll get a fucking scotch. Why should I get a beer if I want a scotch? Just to fit in? It's not like I am fucking sitting there going "Scotchy scotch scotch.. so tasty.. look at those poor losers drinking beer"

    I think I'm going to try that.
     


  2. Flambeur

    Flambeur Senior member

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    +1

    Why do I have to try to fit in if I know what I like? I don't make a habit of going to blue collar bars and ordering cognac, but if I'm in a situation like that, I'm going to order what I like, which probably isn't what everyone else is drinking.


    By the way, those bars are sometimes the best for ordering good whiskey because they don't charge you an arm and a leg like more upscale places.

    Where I live, there are actually plenty of typical bars with an awesome whiskey selection.
     


  3. VKK3450

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    Everyone here is so cool.

    And so individual.

    [​IMG]

    K
     


  4. Aaron01

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    I don't give a fuck what everyone else is drinking, if i want a scotch, I'll get a fucking scotch. Why should I get a beer if I want a scotch? Just to fit in? It's not like I am fucking sitting there going "Scotchy scotch scotch.. so tasty.. look at those poor losers drinking beer"
    This. I like scotch, I like bourbon, I like brandy and I like cigars, I don't care if people think it's pompous or affected because I'm under 25. Why should I drink Coors light or 1 part rum 3 parts diet coke just to fit in?
     


  5. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    you can tell when someone is enjoying a cigar vs. blowing smoke.

    +100
     


  6. Cavalier

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    This. I like scotch, I like bourbon, I like brandy and I like cigars, I don't care if people think it's pompous or affected because I'm under 25. Why should I drink Coors light or 1 part rum 3 parts diet coke just to fit in?
    If your taste is developed and mature, what are you doing hanging out with plebs at places they drink Coors Light? There's a time and a place for everything IMO. At a nice restaurant or lounge I'll drink scotch, otherwise I'll order something else that is less noticeably better then what everyone else is drinking, i.e. gin and a splash of tonic. Or just order JW Red and save the single malt stuff for another time. Walking around a dive bar with a snifter (assuming a dive bar would have such a thing) filled with cognac is pretty lame and contrived (not pompous). Don't forget your top hat and monocle! Even those people with good taste and good fortunes know how to fit in and acclimate themselves with the general population when needed.
     


  7. Aaron01

    Aaron01 Senior member

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    If your taste is developed and mature, what are you doing hanging out with plebs at places they drink Coors Light?

    There's a time and a place for everything IMO.

    At a nice restaurant or lounge I'll drink scotch, otherwise I'll order something else that is less noticeably better then what everyone else is drinking, i.e. gin and a splash of tonic. Or just order JW Red and save the single malt stuff for another time.

    Walking around a dive bar with a snifter (assuming a dive bar would have such a thing) filled with cognac is pretty lame and contrived (not pompous). Don't forget your top hat and monocle! Even those people with good taste and good fortunes know how to fit in and acclimate themselves with the general population when needed.


    If I'm at a dive bar I'm not going to order a single malt, I doubt they would have it anyways. I just generally try and order the best whisky they have, but then again, I haven't been to a dive bar in a couple years.
     


  8. MrG

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    If your taste is developed and mature, what are you doing hanging out with plebs at places they drink Coors Light?

    There's a time and a place for everything IMO.

    At a nice restaurant or lounge I'll drink scotch, otherwise I'll order something else that is less noticeably better then what everyone else is drinking, i.e. gin and a splash of tonic. Or just order JW Red and save the single malt stuff for another time.

    Walking around a dive bar with a snifter (assuming a dive bar would have such a thing) filled with cognac is pretty lame and contrived (not pompous). Don't forget your top hat and monocle! Even those people with good taste and good fortunes know how to fit in and acclimate themselves with the general population when needed.


    Well put. This is a better-stated version of what I was driving at with my post. If people don't like people/places where Bud Light and Coors is the norm I don't begrudge them that, but trying to exercise top shelf taste in that context looks ridiculous.

    I had a friend back in the day who always used to conspicuously order expensive drinks when we went out, regardless of where we were. We'd be at some dive bar drinking Budweiser, and he'd order a Hennessy because he thought it made him look cool. It was always so contrived, and it was embarassing to be around him. The guy didn't know anything about good cognac, he just drank it because he'd heard of it in hip hop songs. His white suburban emulation of rappers combined with his need to do it in the worst contexts made him look like an idiot. Are all people who drink expensive drinks in dive bars like my friend? No. Some people can appreciate the quality in a way he couldn't, but that doesn't make it any less strange and out of place.
     


  9. Aaron01

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    Well put. This is a better-stated version of what I was driving at with my post. If people don't like people/places where Bud Light and Coors is the norm I don't begrudge them that, but trying to exercise top shelf taste in that context looks ridiculous.

    I had a friend back in the day who always used to conspicuously order expensive drinks when we went out, regardless of where we were. We'd be at some dive bar drinking Budweiser, and he'd order a Hennessy because he thought it made him look cool. It was always so contrived, and it was embarassing to be around him. The guy didn't know anything about good cognac, he just drank it because he'd heard of it in hip hop songs. His white suburban emulation of rappers combined with his need to do it in the worst contexts made him look like an idiot. Are all people who drink expensive drinks in dive bars like my friend? No. Some people can appreciate the quality in a way he couldn't, but that doesn't make it any less strange and out of place.


    Ordering something that you don't want just because you don't want to stand out is, in my opinion, just as contemptible as ordering something expensive, which you don't enjoy, just so you can stand out.
     


  10. rjmaiorano

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    This. I like scotch, I like bourbon, I like brandy and I like cigars, I don't care if people think it's pompous or affected because I'm under 25. Why should I drink Coors light or 1 part rum 3 parts diet coke just to fit in?

    Only sad thing is scotch at most bars is 10+ per drink for poor junk.
     


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    ...Smoking cigars at bars/parties/restaurants gets some people pissed off and I don't wanna ruin someone's night, so usually I don't do that.

    +1

    Unless you're in a cigar bar or other establishment where it's considered the norm, the likelihood is that you're ruining someone else's time. Kind of douchey no matter how young or old you are.
     


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    Ordering something that you don't want just because you don't want to stand out is, in my opinion, just as contemptible as ordering something expensive, which you don't enjoy, just so you can stand out.

    I agree, but there can be a compromise. As Cavalier said, you can order something that stands out less. I also don't see anything wrong with simply not going to dive bars. If someone doesn't like crappy atmospheres and cheap beer it's probably not a place they're going to fit in anyway. I don't like death metal, so I don't go to Cannibal Corpse shows because it's not my thing, and I wouldn't enjoy what's going on there. This, to me, makes more sense than going to the show and talking about how great R.E.M. is.
     


  13. Flambeur

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    Seriously you people are so confused. I mean yes, you will look like an ass if you walk into a real dive bar and ask "What is your finest scotch please, I'll have a double, and make sure to keep it away from the coors-swilling plebes..."

    But if they carry something and you know what you want, there is absolutely no issue. I was at a dirty divey bar with a certain (hot, still can't get over just how hot and fun) female acquaintance of mine, and the bar actually had an amazing whiskey selection, comparable to some high-end places.
     


  14. Cavalier

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    Seriously you people are so confused. I mean yes, you will look like an ass if you walk into a real dive bar and ask "What is your finest scotch please, I'll have a double, and make sure to keep it away from the coors-swilling plebes..." But if they carry something and you know what you want, there is absolutely no issue. I was at a dirty divey bar with a certain (hot, still can't get over just how hot and fun) female acquaintance of mine, and the bar actually had an amazing whiskey selection, comparable to some high-end places.
    There's plenty of whiskey oriented "dive bars" out there that specialize in this sort of things. In reality they aren't dives merely selling that sort of atmosphere to a different target client base, generally young professionals who want some where relaxed to have a nice drink. We have one down the street from me that also great food, but you're going to find YPs and trust funders at it.
     


  15. Viktri

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    I don't give a fuck what everyone else is drinking, if i want a scotch, I'll get a fucking scotch. Why should I get a beer if I want a scotch? Just to fit in? It's not like I am fucking sitting there going "Scotchy scotch scotch.. so tasty.. look at those poor losers drinking beer"
    Maybe it's a cultural thing (or lack of favourite drink) but my buddies typically drink whatever I'm drinking and vice versa. If I see my buddy having a beer, I'll join him. If the scotch is open, we drink scotch. Rarely do we go through the hassle of opening another bottle or ordering a separate pitcher.
     


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