Seriously, what is expected? If I go to a place in France with "service compris" they really don't expect any additional money. So kyle is saying that Per Se does. Well, how much? Beyond that, I think it's annoying that they require this huge service charge and then expect you to tip beyond that, and I have no idea what the expectation is. I generally leave 0-5% in France depending on how good the service was. I'd do the same at a restaurant like Per Se. There are a lot of things that are bothersome about his restaurants, at least to me, and this just goes on that list. It isn't to say I prefer the American style of gratuity, but I think there is something almost cruel about having this policy at TFL, where a lot of people are going for a meal the caliber of which they have not experienced before, because it adds an additional level of discomfort by putting them again outside their normal frame of reference in an area already fraught with anxiety, like a restaurant check multiples of what they have seen in the past. Honestly speaking, this describes a large percentage of the food tourists at TFL. At Per Se it is less problematic to me, but I guess I have to wonder why it is done. Taking people outside their comfort zone by offering new foods, some of them perhaps slightly uncomfortable is great. Doing it with the check is not.