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Per Se vs. Eleven Madison Park

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by hopkins_student, Jun 12, 2011.

  1. hopkins_student

    hopkins_student Senior member

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    My wife and I are planning a four day trip to New York in October. We're going to eat well while we're there, but we're planning on eating really well at least one night. Our thought is to do either Eleven Madison Park or Per Se. For background, we've been to The French Laundry and loved it, so I'm sure Per Se is a safe bet. What are your thoughts on how we should handle the situation?

    Also, I think my parents might be there for a few nights and they're not quite as into haute cuisine as we are. Can anyone make any suggestions for a few really great places that do less adventurous cuisine? Thanks, H_S.
     
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    I would personally choose Per Se. That is all.
     
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    Per Se for sure. EMP is great but they're in different leagues altogether, food and service wise.
     
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    Per Se for sure. EMP is great but they're in different leagues altogether, food and service wise.

    Don't let gomestar read this. [​IMG]
     
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    Per Se for sure. EMP is great but they're in different leagues altogether, food and service wise.

    I'm not so sure. I'd say the service is different, but not necessarily better at either restaurant. Per Se is very unobtrusive and the service seems more rehearsed. Everything gets to your table exactly when it's supposed to, your water gets refilled without you noticing, it's pretty close to perfect. While EMP isn't far off from this level, they make up for any imperfections by being so friendly. I was there alone, and 4 or 5 different people came to check on me and make sure everything was alright and talk about the food/beer I was drinking. I'd still recommend Per Se for the sole reason that it's Per Se, but you're not going to go wrong at either restaurant. The sturgeon sabayon at EMP is still one of the best things I've ever eaten.
     
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    Don't let gomestar read this. [​IMG]

    I don't disagree. Very different restaurants and a different scene. But it should be worth noting that it's also a different world price wise - the basic menu at EMP is like $100 a person, and the wine list is rather reasonable, while Per Se is $300 a person with no other options other than the bar. And Per Se's wine list is absolutely outrageous.

    If I'm with friends and family, I'd prefer EMP, if I'm with somebody of importance, Per Se.
     
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    Blue Hill at Stone Barns tends to have simpler food and is also excellent.
     
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    If I'm with friends and family, I'd prefer EMP, if I'm with somebody of importance, Per Se.

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    Don't let your friends and family read this.
     
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    If I'm with friends and family, I'd prefer EMP, if I'm with somebody of importance, Per Se.

    I absolutely agree with this.
     
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    The Per Se wine list is a giant extended middle finger at the diner.
     
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    The Per Se wine list is a giant extended middle finger at the diner.
    ? Please explain.
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ? Please explain.

    Horrendously overpriced. It's not only that there are no values; there are no non-insults to your intelligence.
     
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    Horrendously overpriced. It's not only that there are no values; there are no non-insults to your intelligence.
    I see. And is $90 corkage even within 2 SD of the mean in NYC?
     
  15. JayJay

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    Based on my dining at both, I'd recommend Per Se.
     
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    [​IMG] Don't let your friends and family read this.
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    I see. And is $90 corkage even within 2 SD of the mean in NYC?
    $90 is pretty outrageous, but to think you could bring in a $140 bottle of Dom, pay the $90 fee and still be saving $350 compared to their wine list is just ridiculous. Or, with the '95 Dom Oeno, save a whopping $600 compared to the list. Still, I'd recommend it for the OP, it's a special event.
     
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    You know, people can rail on the prices set by Keller's somm, but Per Se is one of the most plush, well located dining rooms on the planet. That real estate is shockingly expensive (although I don't know his terms with the TW people). And the city is full of people willing to pay those retarded mark ups. Granted, the wine list at TFL is also fairly laughable, but the guy's overhead is just insane. I mean really, there are a handful of restaurants in the world that have as many costs as the operation Keller runs in NYC. While there are places I'd rather dine for $300 in the US, I would never get mad at him for it being expensive. Same for Masa. Look where it is? What do you fucking expect? And with the fish they're getting? People complain but they don't take into account the cost of running these places. They're really a labor of love/insanity. Keller could make a hell of a lot more money putting out a much shittier product.
     
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    I don't disagree. Very different restaurants and a different scene. But it should be worth noting that it's also a different world price wise - the basic menu at EMP is like $100 a person, and the wine list is rather reasonable, while Per Se is $300 a person with no other options other than the bar. And Per Se's wine list is absolutely outrageous.

    If I'm with friends and family, I'd prefer EMP, if I'm with somebody of importance, Per Se.


    Your numbers are off.

    EMP's four-course meal is 125 and their tasting in 195. Neither of those numbers include tax and tip. The latter ends up being pretty darn close to Per Se's 295 as it includes tax and tip.
     
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    I have lived in New York for the past four years and spend most of my disposable income on food. My two best meals in this city have both been at Per Se (the most recent being Tuesday of this past week). I have had multiple meals at EMP, and while I enjoy the space, think the service is very good, and find the food enjoyable, if not memorable, none of the meals that I have had there even come close to Per Se.

    Space: Small comfortable dining room overlooking central park. When the sun goes down, they turn the fireplace on. What more could you want.

    Food: Our most recent meal involved a chilled carrot soup that was the best bite of food I have had in years. Freaking carrot soup. That is the magic of Per Se: the ingredients and technique can make often forgotten ingredients true stars of a meal.

    Service: After 2 meals and nearly 30 courses (we were treated to a 19 course extravaganza this past visit) it has been truly flawless.

    So, go to Per Se, you won't be disappointed.
     
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    Also, I think my parents might be there for a few nights and they're not quite as into haute cuisine as we are. Can anyone make any suggestions for a few really great places that do less adventurous cuisine? Thanks, H_S.

    When they visit, I take my mom and dad to places like Craft, Blue Hill, and Minetta Tavern. Relatively simple food that still hits the spot.
     

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