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People on Yelp: Why do you all suck?

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by kwilkinson, Jul 15, 2009.

  1. chorse123

    chorse123 Senior member

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    Yeah, people are different and get angry or stupid about things that they see as important. OMG $8 small plate??? NO WAY!!!! You never see those prices at McDs, who do those pricks think they are?????
    Welcome to Chicago. Portion size seems to be incredibly important there. Edit - although it's not just Chicago. There's a new sandwich place by my office with very good Cambodian (influenced) sandwiches, and the yelpers are bitching about them being too small.
     
  2. Bartolo

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    Most people don't know what's good. Restaurant reviews are one of these things for which I trust proper critics far more than signs of popularity (e.g. Zagat scores, difficulty to get a table, yelp reviews, etc...).

    I've paid (not much, it's cheap) for an online Zagat membership for the past few years, and I'm really reconsidering. People are idiots, plain and simple.
     
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    I've paid (not much, it's cheap) for an online Zagat membership for the past few years, and I'm really reconsidering. People are idiots, plain and simple.

    I only use my Zagat guides (we get those for free) as a list of restaurants in an area (i.e. to remind me of various options) but I try not too look at the grades or stupid quotes.
     
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    Fuuma Senior member

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    That is a great quote.

    Except it is untrue.
     
  5. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior member

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    Except it is untrue.

    Let's vote on that.
     
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    I use yelp to get an idea if a certain place I plan on going to has specials or great menu items. I pay no attention to most of the other aspects of the reviews
     
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    Welcome to Chicago. Portion size seems to be incredibly important there.

    Edit - although it's not just Chicago. There's a new sandwich place by my office with very good Cambodian (influenced) sandwiches, and the yelpers are bitching about them being too small.


    Maybe that's why Cambodia doesn't have a fucking obesity problem.

    I can eat a lot of food, but I've almost never gone to a restaurant and left hungry. If the portions are small it's because you're supposed to get multiple courses. I mean fucking get over it or just go to Grand Lux cafe. For some reason I feel like tracking down some of those yelpers who give stupid reviews based on inane preconceptions of food and want of dinosaur sized portions and fucking force feed them shit with canned hollandaise sauce.
     
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    Maybe that's why Cambodia doesn't have a fucking obesity problem.

    Ha ha ha. Yeah, the five spice glazed pork belly sandwich with pickled rhubarb was just fine (and delicious). If you're still hungry, eat a damn apple.
     
  9. feynmix

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    I have had good a success rate (~ 70%) at restaurants that were based on yelp reviews. Also, I have had good success rate trying dishes that were highly recommended by many reviewers.

    Although I agree that there are a lot of morons on it that pretend to be real food critics, that is pretty much the case with any review site. The trick is to try and gauge a really good review from total tripe, and as always, take everything with a grain of salt.
     
  10. Fuuma

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    Let's vote on that.

    The liberalization of knowledge creates network effects (I'm ashamed I just used the words "network effects"). In other words spreading it helps it's development.
     
  11. gdl203

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    I have had good a success rate (~ 70%) at restaurants that were based on yelp reviews. Also, I have had good success rate trying dishes that were highly recommended by many reviewers.

    Although I agree that there are a lot of morons on it that pretend to be real food critics, that is pretty much the case with any review site. The trick is to try and gauge a really good review from total tripe, and as always, take everything with a grain of salt.


    But why go through such a headache when there are perfectly fine and experienced critics that will give you an unbiased, well documented review of the dining experience at that establishment. Especially, if you tend to like a specific critic's taste and passed reviews, it gives even more comfort in the relevance of his other reviews to you. I know I will like any place well rated by Bruni or Platt, without a doubt.
     
  12. Ochowie

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    But why go through such a headache when there are perfectly fine and experienced critics that will give you an unbiased, well documented review of the dining experience at that establishment. Especially, if you tend to like a specific critic's taste and passed reviews, it gives even more comfort in the relevance of his other reviews to you. I know I will like any place well rated by Bruni or Platt, without a doubt.

    It's interesting that you cited Bruni and Platt as your go to critics when they are two of the most polarizing critics that have ever been at their respective posts. Bruni's biases toward Italian cooking are particularly well known. However, I tend to agree that Yelp restaurant reviews are in general awful, though not as bad as the menupages reviews.
     
  13. gdl203

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    It's interesting that you cited Bruni and Platt as your go to critics when they are two of the most polarizing critics that have ever been at their respective posts. Bruni's biases toward Italian cooking are particularly well known. However, I tend to agree that Yelp restaurant reviews are in general awful, though not as bad as the menupages reviews.

    I don't know if I would call preferences for particular cuisines a "bias" but I see your point. Hence my qualifier to pick critics which taste you share. Bruni is polarizing in his style and delivery - I personally find his reviews hilarious and really enjoyable to read. I never really thought of Adam Platt as polarizing in any way.
     
  14. CTGuy

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    i like yelp....at times. most reviews are kind of accurate.

    Yelp can be helpful. You have to make a judgment as to whether people are just whiners or if they truly had a bad experience. I had some experience making reservations for mother's day where I didn't really know the area where I found the site useful.
     
  15. Ochowie

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    I don't know if I would call preferences for particular cuisines a "bias" but I see your point. Hence my qualifier to pick critics which taste you share. Bruni is polarizing in his style and delivery - I personally find his reviews hilarious and really enjoyable to read. I never really thought of Adam Platt as polarizing in any way.

    The thing with Platt, and this was also true with Bruni, that I've heard was their aversion to classical service. This shows up in their reviews of restaurants such as ADNY and the fact that Bruni gave the Bar Room at the Modern 3 stars while giving the main restaurant 2.
     
  16. gdl203

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    The thing with Platt, and this was also true with Bruni, that I've heard was their aversion to classical service. This shows up in their reviews of restaurants such as ADNY and the fact that Bruni gave the Bar Room at the Modern 3 stars while giving the main restaurant 2.
    I don't know that they're averse to classical service as much as they are averse to a very formal service matched with food that doesn't live up to it. I remember his article about testing a waiter's patience (was it at Fiamma?) and making fun of over-bearing service. I always read it as a complaint about the mismatch between setting and caliber of the food. I actually agree with the Modern ranking - the main room is lovely but the service is very cold and formal, which along with the beautiful views and room raised our expectations, only to be slightly disappointed by what was on the plate. The Bar Room is actually a more pleasant setting IMO as well - and I did enjoy my meal there more than in the main room.
     
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    The liberalization of knowledge creates network effects (I'm ashamed I just used the words "network effects"). In other words spreading it helps it's development.

    I'm pleased you decided to pick me to reply to in this thread, even if we are going OT.

    The original concept being stated was that, as an example, the quality of the cut and adherence to technique of the cooking of a steak, is not determined through anonymous voting on the internet, but actually can be objectively defined through set criteria. Meaning, just because 1k schleps say "the steak sucks" does not mean the steaks do not fall under USDA Prime and have not been properly aged, nor does it mean the cook has not fired it properly. It merely means the schleps fail to discern the steak was a cut of meat that complied with USDA "Prime" standards, was aged under the proper conditions for the proper period of time, and was fired in a manner consistent with good culinary technique.

    I would agree, that if true knowledge were being spread, this would be a positive thing, creating postive network effects. I rather think the OPs initial premise was, that knowledge was not being spread, but rather faulty judgments.
     
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    But why go through such a headache when there are perfectly fine and experienced critics that will give you an unbiased, well documented review of the dining experience at that establishment. Especially, if you tend to like a specific critic's taste and passed reviews, it gives even more comfort in the relevance of his other reviews to you. I know I will like any place well rated by Bruni or Platt, without a doubt.
    Personally, there are two issues here: 1) I am a vegetarian and based on my limited NYC dining experience, I tend to prefer the Indian, Greek/Lebanese/Turkish, Mexican, and Thai cuisine more than Italian and French only because there are a lot more dishes for me to try out and eat in the former cuisines. Most of the must try Italian restaurants in NYC have very few, if any vegetarian options. 2) I don't know of too many food critics that cater to my palette. If any particular critic comes to mind, please let me know.
     
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    I always get annoyed with the people who's reviews are something like.."the food was great but the service wasn't abso-fucking-lutely amazing...sooo 1 star" and its always someone who has only been to the restuarant once (and its never some place you should be expecting incredible service in the first place).
     
  20. gdl203

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    Personally, there are two issues here: 1) I am a vegetarian and based on my limited NYC dining experience, I tend to prefer the Indian, Greek/Lebanese/Turkish, Mexican, and Thai cuisine more than Italian and French only because there are a lot more dishes for me to try out and eat in the former cuisines. Most of the must try Italian restaurants in NYC have very few, if any vegetarian options. 2) I don't know of too many food critics that cater to my palette. If any particular critic comes to mind, please let me know.

    I understand. I can't think of a vegetarian critic but I'm not sure it really matters. You can use other sources to locate vegetarian options, then check professional reviews of said places, from critics you generally trust.
     

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