Peir Wu x Snowman Pant Collaboration

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  1. snowmanxl

    snowmanxl Senior member

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    To take your own first example, how did this start? Did you already know one another?

    Daniel: Well, it all started with a purchase. I bought peir's blazer from suspension point and as soon as I put my arm into the ribbed sleeve I was sold. The materials worked so well and the whole piece was cut so sharply. That detail was what made me write to peir. From there we spoke about some of her pieces and ideas for other projects.
    Summertime: I finished school and asked peir if I could come and intern for her. Long shot, I didn't think she'd go for it but she did, which was super cool. She had some ideas for bags and an online shop so my background in industrial design would fit in. It took me two weeks to get organized and peir set me up with her assistant Andy, and was very hospitable with my accommodations. They were very down to earth, and it was all kind of unreal.
    From there we worked on some bag designs and I got to work side by side with her making patterns which was definitely interesting. As well as see everything in real life, the materials, the cut etc...
    She really thinks from a multi dimensional way, especially about the function of the fabric when making the garment and that's what I loved from the beginning.

    I had to shelve the idea for the snowman pants to go work with Peir, but when I came back people were still asking me when I will relaunch it. I kind of felt the trousers needed more work. I thought maybe it could be cool to work on a collab with Peir. There was lots that I saw in her studio in london when I worked with her and felt she could take it further.


    Peir: I received an email from Daniel, it was the first time a customer had emailed me personally and it was really great to hear direct feedback. We discussed some ideas, it was a really great exchange. Then he got in touch a few months later to do an internship with me....I was hesitant at first as I didn't want a customer working for me... But I liked how open and enthusiastic He is, so I got him on board. We had some cool outcomes. Overall it was fun and pretty effortless. Daniel approached me to work on a collaboration after his stint in london. We both thought it could be something fun to work on and see how it pans out, but I wanted to mull over the details first before going into it.


    I was wondering about the type of input/thoughts Peir Wu brought up concerning the original pair and how you guys came about to adding the new details/materials

    Peir: Daniel sent me the trousers and I read the background story to it....I liked the fit of the trouser, which is a signature silhouette of Daniel, but also saw that it needed some reworking. there was a lot of traditional but unnecessary details for eg. How the jigger button flap was designed before, it was one little bit with the button hole sewn into another little flap of fabric / the double welt pocket with the pearl button... the elongated rise made it really elegant and dapper, kind of like these 1940s mens trousers which I really like and have a small personal collection of, and a tapered leg which made it look "tailored streetwear". The fabric was really beautiful, but I felt it could maybe do better with a dry wool so the lines would be cleaner, and silhouette stronger. I wanted it to be the perfect balance between Daniel's personal style, and my reductionist, hyper modern aesthetic.

    I first experienced dry wools through a mill in Yorkshire and as well as some mills in japan. Dry wools are a signature of British wools, compared to Italian wools which are "wetter" and drapes more. The Japanese love British wools for that dry feel, and they make it into traditional but minimal English Gentlemen suit blazers. The Japanese mills' version of dry wools have a technical edge. sometimes they weave washi paper in, or they do a chemical treatment to the yarns..always creating a really interesting hand feel. I immediately saw that this would be the best fit for this project, and envisioned one that looks like a regular dry wool at first, but the hand feel would be subtly surprising.

    Daniel really liked the elastic details from my ss14 collection, and I still felt that the idea could be explored in a different way in this project. It was a good challenge. Something simple, yet surprising. It's not overt, but makes you look twice. That was something I wanted to achieve in the overall first impression when someone first handles it.

    So after processing all the ideas....we had a few discussions back and forth...it took a little longer due to the time difference and all these other projects between...we were both very happy with the final product, I took it for a test drive....it was super sweet. I then sent it to Daniel....

    But also what was exciting to me, the process of designing a label for snowman. We shaped it in stages. In the end it was reduced to 3 dots. When Daniel showed it to me, the first reference that came to mind was the opening credits for Space Odyssey 2001 where the sun was rising, I thought that felt absolutely right.
     
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    zapatiste Senior member

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    thanks for that D, but the logo is too cool

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    Super thorough answers! It would be cool if fashion designer interviews were done about one specific garment. Really reveals design concept and how and why it's executed.
     
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    teger should try this
     


  5. snowmanxl

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    Thanks guys! Peir wrote this about the postcard we designed :)

    We wanted to design a fun postcard, especially after seeing the snowman label design and having those futurist film references in my head, I thought of the keywords the postcard has to portray:

    - all season
    - hyper modern + craft
    - dapper futurist
    - Peir Wu / snowman (sans text/logo)

    I've always really liked Superstudio layouts. Superstudio was an architecture firm founded in 1966 in Florence, Italy, and a major part of the Radical architecture movement of the late 60s. what I like about their posters is the 'graphic design before computers' look, a mix between collage, hand painted, and then set in a futurist landscape. Daniel and I spoke about some basic elements we wanted: a snowman in a desert, a translucent grid surface like we had built a stage on another planet, and when it came to what would represent me, I immediately thought of this nonagenarian chinese old lady who can do the splits. We thought she could fly through the sky, like a scene out of a 70s martial arts film.p

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    I had in mind a kind of grey cool dessert, but Daniel proposed a red dessert like someone's grandma's colour pencil drawing of Mars or Arizona. It turned out looking like a mix between Superstudio and Total Recall. Which i don't mind one bit since I'm a big Arnie fan.

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    I liked that Daniel gave me a flying shadow. The icing on the cake was giving snowman his cactus hat and sunnies
     
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  6. snowmanxl

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    Zapatiste, great reference pics!

    Thanks guys, hope you enjoy the read. Anyone have any other questions?

    I'll be posting more fits tomorrow!
     
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  7. raginberriodoom

    raginberriodoom Senior member

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    Wow, really interesting answers.

    Another question - why did you decide to do pants vs. other pieces of clothing (i.e. shirt, jacket, etc.)?

    Also, would these work for people who are 6 ft (183 cm)?
     


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    Parker Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    great stuff. love hearing about the design process. excited to see more fit pics!

    (and how I can incorporate a pair into my wardrobe)
     


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    My only question is: is this the end or the beginning for Snowman x Peir Wu? (I want more!)
     


  10. snowmanxl

    snowmanxl Senior member

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    1. Another question - why did you decide to do pants vs. other pieces of clothing (i.e. shirt, jacket, etc.)?
    Also, would these work for people who are 6 ft (183 cm)?


    Daniel: It was a side project I worked on with my dad's tailor in Canada. The idea came from wanting the perfect pair of pants and the ability to have them made in any material I wanted. I started off by taking some measurements of my favourite pants and tweaking some things. I added length in the crotch, width to the thigh, less of a taper. When I had my final measurements it was time to construct the pants...it started getting very positive feedback and it was a natural progression from there.

    Peir: I like the idea of the trousers (sorry! British English) I feel that a well fitting pair of trousers really transforms an outfit. it was a nice project to expand on, Daniel came to me with a background story which I really liked as it's unpretentious and kinda cool that he just did it , a perfect template for us to work from and I could completely focus on making this one great product. The ideas that rolled on from there also felt very natural.

    D: Regarding your height, Peir says as long as the trousers fit nicely around the waist and hips, we just need to check your inseam. It's not really a height specific trouser! You could send me a pm with your measurements and we can advise you.
    Alternatively I'm getting a 6’ tall friend to model a fit pic next week! I'll post it up soon as I can

    My only question is: is this the end or the beginning for Snowman x Peir Wu? (I want more!)

    Peir: We got together just to have some fun. So far, the collaboration has been very natural, one idea just intuitively leads to another and it's all coming together in a complete picture. It's great that we can develop ideas in a very real context. We’re learning a lot through this project! And the most satisfying bit is to "ship" the idea.

    So to answer your question, it definitely won't be the end of our collaboration! But we also definitely won't be selling digital print t shirts or mugs next. We want to keep it...lean and easy, just what inspires us, and really dig deep into 1 topic.
     


  11. mike868y

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    i think it's incredible that snow transformed himself from the swd bow legged whipping boy to someone who is actually designing pieces for swd. :slayer:
     


  12. snowmanxl

    snowmanxl Senior member

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    thanks mikey!


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  13. Lionheart Biker

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    Snow, those detail pics make me really want to grab a pair and put some other purchases on hold. It looks truly amazing.



    PS: I think i mentioned it once but I´d love to see something like an RO jumbo t-shirt done by you and Pier. Anyway, wherever this collab leads up to,

    you´ve already made it big. Congrats, man [​IMG]
     


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  15. Bam!ChairDance

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    snow, i'm guessing you're wearing a 46 in those pics? looks great. the long rise is waay more subtle than a droopy crotch but still unusual enough to be interesting
     


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