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Paying bribe for admission into top school - Worth it ?

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by aj_del, Jul 11, 2010.

  1. aj_del

    aj_del Senior member

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    Hi

    My son will turn 3 this November and he is eligible to apply for admission into nursery schools at the high schools this time around. By nursery school at high school I mean that while he would be getting admitted into the nursery class, the school itself is upto 12th standard, so he would be in the same school till he takes his Senior Secondary Board exams.

    The problem is that there are some supposedly 'better' schools which have the reputation, the history and everything associated with it. It is also considered important from a social point of view that your child goes to the right school. However, it is near impossible to gain admission into one of these schools through the regular admission process.

    Let's say I know a person who can organize my son's admission into one of the most prestigious schools. The fee/ bribe is Rs. 10,00,000.00 (around 22000 USD) in cash. I must point out that this is a very large sum for India where I pay my son's maid Rs.4000 (85 uSD) per month and my wife who is at a reasonable mid level position in a multi-national earns around 38000 USD a year. The amount of bribe is roughly equal to the total amount of school fees to be paid over the next 12 years.

    So the question is whether it is worth it to spend the money for the stamp of having studied at the supposedly better schools or should I send him to the neighbourhood school where I have studied and I consider a perfectly good school. Even admission into this school is not assured though I am quite hopeful since neighbourhood criterion has a lot of weightage here.

    Yours thoughts, please.

    Thanks
     
  2. DNW

    DNW Senior member

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    If you can live with yourself after you pay the bribe, knowing that you've contributed to the corruption in your own country, go for it.
     
  3. bluemagic

    bluemagic Senior member

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    That's a lot of money. How much would it cost for you to send him to the U.S. or England instead?
     
  4. DNW

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    That's a lot of money. How much would it cost for you to send him to the U.S. or England instead?

    Obviously a lot more.
     
  5. cchen

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    If I were in your situation, I'd probably do it.
     
  6. Mblova

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    You know full well that getting into a good college is largely dependent on your board scores. My cousin went to local "private" school( i get confused about the school system there) and did well on the exams and went to good colleges in N.D. At the end of the day if the school is good, it's up to you as a parent to push them to excel(trust me i know full well what indian parents do, as I am indian) and to develop as a good person. Everybody ends up getting "tution" anyway for the exams. Having lived in New Delhi, bribes were popular back in the 90's but now they are done on the downlow. Also, having lived there, 10lakh is a decent sized bribe, but not out of question. I'd give the bribe and report the fucker to NDTV or CNN-IBN.
    What part of N.D. you located in?
     
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  8. aj_del

    aj_del Senior member

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    Thanks for all your comments.

    Just to clarify I am balking at the size of bribe rather than the concept.
     
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    ^^I don't think 10L is that unusual. But then again, I'm American.
     
  10. DNW

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    Just to clarify I am balking at the size of bribe rather than the concept.

    How much to get your kid into IIT?
     
  11. aj_del

    aj_del Senior member

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    ^^ almost impossible, also not worth it since if you can't get there on merit you probably are not going to do well there anyway. Primary school is different plus there is no merit. Just random selection
     
  12. bluemagic

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    How do you know he won't take the money and then not let your kid in?
     
  13. CunningSmeagol

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    You seem to understand that we don't have any clue what money is worth in India, yet we're supposed to be able to evaluate the social returns associated with going to the right school?

    And doesn't it depend what fraction $22K is of your net worth? Or were you hoping we'd ask?
     
  14. aj_del

    aj_del Senior member

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    ^^ I told you how much a maid's salary is worth and how much my wife earns. I can tell you the price of a Coke and a McD burger (around 120 INR - 2.5 USD). Any other info you would like ....

    And the most expensive tailor in Delhi charges Rs.10000 (USD 220) for making a suit. Labour only
     
  15. oman

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    You seem to understand that we don't have any clue what money is worth in India, yet we're supposed to be able to evaluate the social returns associated with going to the right school?
    speak for yourself, pal anyway, OP, do it. I'm telling you, do it. I mostly went to school in the middle east and in canada, but finished 12th grade in india at a good school where the socialites sent their kids, and the people I met were INSANE. some of the friends i made include a young scion of the dhirubai ambani clan, and the son of an extremely famous movie director who shall go unnamed, but has immense political influence (just to clarify for people unfamiliar with india, the movie industry and political spheres are one and the same in many of the richer parts of the country) i don't really respect inherited wealth, so i only maintain sporadic contact with these folks through facebook, but i mean, if you value that sort of thing, kid is an ambani. we're talking bigger than bill gates here. 22 lakhs is pissfuck nothing to the kind of network your kid will end up building
     
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    ^^ It's actually 10 lacs, not 22 lacs.

    Basically, that's what the question is. Is the network, status, bragging rights etc worth it ? Seems quite superficial (for lack of better word) but are they so important in life ?
     
  17. oman

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    as a member of the diaspora, i find india to be a very strange place

    i've noticed that wealthy indians raised in india have a much more realistic understanding of human nature than most people in the west, because life is very visceral there, very real. as a kid, you see things going on, and you realize that certain things are acceptable. you see the way the very poor are beaten for stealing an apple, and the very same day you see the very rich get away with (in some cases, quite literally) murder. it teaches you a lot about how humans really are, underneath all the social facades

    i'm not saying this picture of society is good or bad - i'm just saying it's accurate. it teaches you a lot about social boundaries, and ultimately, it probably empowers you. a lot of people in the west find this stuff revolting and repugnant, but western society is relatively egalitarian, and these westerners who complain about this sort of thing are mostly very sheltered, and lack exposure. in india, just having the ability to talk about 10 lakhs places you in the upper, upper class

    after all, we pretty much invented racism with that caste system stuff, and then the british came around and reinforced those divisions, and then ambedkar unwittingly reinforced them even more when he wrote the constitution. it makes sense that those things will remain a reality, and understanding reality is never a bad thing
     
  18. oman

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    i mean, things are changing quite rapidly all of a sudden. india is far from a third-rate power now. the locus of power is shifting back to asia, and the asian paradigm is quite different from the west. i've never been to china but from what i've read, i'm sure they're even worse than the indians when it comes to this stuff

    your son will have to deal with a different world when he grows up, and anything you can do to give him an edge will help
     
  19. CunningSmeagol

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    ^^ I told you how much a maid's salary is worth and how much my wife earns. I can tell you the price of a Coke and a McD burger (around 120 INR - 2.5 USD). Any other info you would like ....

    And the most expensive tailor in Delhi charges Rs.10000 (USD 220) for making a suit. Labour only


    Right and if you need to tell us this shit, how are we (mostly American; excuse me, oman, you worldly motherfucker) supposed to educate you on the social worth of a good Indian school?

    Do you seriously expect people who don't know how much things cost in India without you telling them to know anything at all about the value of an Indian prep school?

    Also, are we to assume your wife is the only member of your family who works?

    There just aren't enough [​IMG] s
     
  20. aj_del

    aj_del Senior member

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    ^^ Dont really know what you are saying but for the sake of discussion assume that I make the Indian equivalent of 200000 USD And if this info is still not enough, please refrain from participating in this thread further [​IMG]
     

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