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Paul Sargent (formerly Alfred Sargent) Appreciation Thread

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I dunno man. Of the three photos you’ve posted, the first is borderline, the third looks fine, and only the second looks like an issue…..but it’s tough to tell because lighting exaggerates stuff and I’d probably just see how they wear. BUT, I’d caution against basing too many opinions on the views of your local cobbler unless there are really significant reasons for doing so. There’s almost certainly a beneath the surface competition going on, and the idea that “something shifted” doesn’t really stand up to logic.
 

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I dunno man. Of the three photos you’ve posted, the first is borderline, the third looks fine, and only the second looks like an issue…..but it’s tough to tell because lighting exaggerates stuff and I’d probably just see how they wear. BUT, I’d caution against basing too many opinions on the views of your local cobbler unless there are really significant reasons for doing so. There’s almost certainly a beneath the surface competition going on, and the idea that “something shifted” doesn’t really stand up to logic.
It's hard to photograph because it is dark and wintery here and the light never catches the whole thing, but the crease goes down the whole side of each shoe on both sides from the front edge to right before the heel counter. It would be a lot more blatant if I could get some proper daylight shots of the shoes. I did wear the previous pair quite a bit and they never got better. The only way I got any improvement was by doing the old soak the shoes and let them dry over their trees trick for removing creases.

I really don't understand how you guys can think this is acceptable for $1000 CAD shoes. You must have a lot more money to burn than me because none of my previous "budget" shoes have had these sort of issues.
 

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Been reading about the issues people are having with PS shoes. It is disappointing. I have bought AS shoes, not yet PS. I haven't sent them back because I've only really understood that there's been a problem after wearing them quite a bit. I have a pair of black loafers (sold under the Bowen label in France made by AS), 2 pairs of Selkirk veldtschoen boots (really nice looking boots). All have developed the same problem - creasing at the sides at the widest part of the feet that doesn't bode well for their life span at all. One pair seems even to be developing holes. But they are not tight on my feet, and only about 5 years old. Shouldn't be happening, and has never happened with any other of my shoes in that price range. I wonder about the quality of the leather being used.
 

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Been reading about the issues people are having with PS shoes. It is disappointing. I have bought AS shoes, not yet PS. I haven't sent them back because I've only really understood that there's been a problem after wearing them quite a bit. I have a pair of black loafers (sold under the Bowen label in France made by AS), 2 pairs of Selkirk veldtschoen boots (really nice looking boots). All have developed the same problem - creasing at the sides at the widest part of the feet that doesn't bode well for their life span at all. One pair seems even to be developing holes. But they are not tight on my feet, and only about 5 years old. Shouldn't be happening, and has never happened with any other of my shoes in that price range. I wonder about the quality of the leather being used.

That's interesting. I have the same pair of black loafers by AS for Bowen and I agree the leather seems to be of slightly lesser quality. I also have a tan pair with some bad loose grain. They are very comfortable, however, perhaps even more so than my JM Weston 180 they are imitating.

Curiously, I also own the AS Selkirk in Zug grain. I haven't used them enough to pass an opinion but they seem sturdy and the leather seems nice.

While reviews seem mixed of late, my general experience with both AS and PS is excellent. I have a pair of AS Bexhill chukkas in a very supple scotch grain that seems of fine quality relative to other high end shoes I own. The same goes for my PS Cambridge boots - leather seems identical. I also have the Armfields and have no issues.
 

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Been reading about the issues people are having with PS shoes. It is disappointing. I have bought AS shoes, not yet PS. I haven't sent them back because I've only really understood that there's been a problem after wearing them quite a bit. I have a pair of black loafers (sold under the Bowen label in France made by AS), 2 pairs of Selkirk veldtschoen boots (really nice looking boots). All have developed the same problem - creasing at the sides at the widest part of the feet that doesn't bode well for their life span at all. One pair seems even to be developing holes. But they are not tight on my feet, and only about 5 years old. Shouldn't be happening, and has never happened with any other of my shoes in that price range. I wonder about the quality of the leather being used.
Not sure the Bowen stuff should count. I have a PS pair and the leather and finishing is no different than the four AS pairs I have. It took a while to get them, but thats a lot of maker these days.
 

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Paul Sargent Pytchey in dark brown grain, mounted on studded Ithside sole. Bought from the nice people of AFPOS.

C&J Lanark 3 in 378 last VS Paul Sargent Pytchely in 87 last.


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Unless one can get their shoes from a retailer like AFPOS, where you have a right of return or exchange, I would strongly suggest treating Paul Sargent shoes with extreme caution. Buying directly from them given their MTO only model is a very risky undertaking given the quality control and customer service issues I have had.

My espresso loafers with the weird creasing, which PS agreed were flawed and offered to have shipped back and repaired at their cost, are still sitting in my closet. I agreed to take them up on their offer and crickets for the last three months. They told me they were going to send me a shipping label and then nothing. I have followed up on several occasions.
 

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Paul Sargent Pytchey in dark brown grain, mounted on studded Ithside sole. Bought from the nice people of AFPOS.

C&J Lanark 3 in 378 last VS Paul Sargent Pytchely in 87 last.


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Hi Juan, I just notice that AS use different type of grain leather. What do you think about the quality?
 

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Hi Juan, I just notice that AS use different type of grain leather. What do you think about the quality?

I have shoes from both brands and can't find any quality difference (meaning thick but pliable leather without growth marks)
 

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Question for you guys. I'm a 7 E in C&J, 7 F in Loake, & 7 F in Cheaney. I cannot usually wear 7.5 because it's too roomy at the instep. I found a pir of Alfred Sargent boots that indicate size US 8 on the lining, but it also states UK 7.5. I'm wondering if a size 7 in AS would be the same as with these other British brands. I've found in my experience that C&J, Loake, and Cheaney fit me when I size down 1 full size from US. Is AS the same?

 

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Question for you guys. I'm a 7 E in C&J, 7 F in Loake, & 7 F in Cheaney. I cannot usually wear 7.5 because it's too roomy at the instep. I found a pir of Alfred Sargent boots that indicate size US 8 on the lining, but it also states UK 7.5. I'm wondering if a size 7 in AS would be the same as with these other British brands. I've found in my experience that C&J, Loake, and Cheaney fit me when I size down 1 full size from US. Is AS the same?

I take same size in CJ as AS (one full size down from US).
 

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Question for you guys. I'm a 7 E in C&J, 7 F in Loake, & 7 F in Cheaney. I cannot usually wear 7.5 because it's too roomy at the instep. I found a pir of Alfred Sargent boots that indicate size US 8 on the lining, but it also states UK 7.5. I'm wondering if a size 7 in AS would be the same as with these other British brands. I've found in my experience that C&J, Loake, and Cheaney fit me when I size down 1 full size from US. Is AS the same?

For me it depends on the AS last. I have about 6 pairs of AS. Half of them are size 7.5 UK and half are size 8 UK. I am an 8.5D US and on Brannock.
 

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Thanks. I don't know if this will help, but these are the boots I had on my mind. I'm not sure if you can tell what last they were made on.

3050 last. This specific model was sold by JCrew in the US, although I've also seen them labeled "sample" or "MTO" on eBay without JCrew logo. In my experience the size stamp is accurate, meaning UK 7.5 is US 8 equivalent. I used to own this boot in my usual AS size (UK8/US 9), and found the length a tad short. I've also owned AS X JCrew wingtip boot in same last in UK8.5/US9, and these were much better fit. I found 3050 to be an odd last - voluminous toe box with slightly lower than average instep height.
 
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