TO answer a few questions, from this and other threads. This is the experimental line. They try to emulate things that would not occur in nature, but are nevertheless cool - like the shadow from a fence on a sunny day. Very expensive (the retail starts at around $350, and really for collectors rather than for day to day wear (not for me, since I am a user rather than a collector.) Also, the cuts used to be a lot slimmer - a 33 fit more like a 32, rather than the way the jeans are cut now, when the cuts are usually very... generous. I insist on wearing a 32 or 33, and am a true 33 (wear a 50 Eu in dresspants). The original jeans often used heavier denim, and somewhat more slubbed denim (a change I bemoan) and used to be higher rise (a change I welcomed.) The cut that is not hate LTD cut used to have 5 fly buttons, for example, instead of the current 3.