Paleo diet

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    imageWIS Senior member

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    ok, here's my take - I honestly believe that there is a lot of wisdom in the idea that we should eat the foods that we evolved eating - we evolved eating a lot of various vegetables, fruits nuts, raw grains, meat and fish. we didn't evolve eating a diet of 90% cooked refined grains, which is where most people were at 100 years ago. that said, I don't follow a paleo diet, but I try to eat very little processed foods, and not very much refined and processed grains. I think that being too fanatic about it isn't good, either. and I am not sure that it is the best tool for long term health or weightloss.

    Fuck it, I like pasta and lots of it. However, I balance that by hitting the gym hard, getting lots of raw fruits and vegetables and over 1 g of protein per lb of body weight a day.
     
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    It's three factors. 1. Total daily calorie intake. 2. Activity levels 3. Genetics. The thing to remember is everyone is different. That's why some people can eat like pigs all day, hardly ever work out and stay in "shape," while other people can maintain a perfect diet, work out frequently and struggle to achieve the body they desire. You have to figure out what works for you and not directly compare yourself to others. Science has consistently shown that a calorie is a calorie when it comes to weight loss or gain. Worrying about carbs, sugar or fat won't do you nearly as much good as watching your total calorie intake and exercising enough to burn the excess calories away. The reason a lot of people loss weight when they start a diet like Paleo or Atkins is not because they cut out any type of "bad" food. It's because these diets are so restrictive in what you can and cannot eat, that the typical American ends up cutting out enough of their daily calorie intake to drop some excess weight.
    Exactly. Look at Plitt: [​IMG] He eats once a day... and its a massive meal; he sometimes eats 5 whole pizzas in one sitting. I could never do that. I need to break up my meals and eat at least 4-5 times per day (6-7 is actually better for me). I also have the misfortune of not having an even fat distribution, so my arms stay slim, but all the fat likes to stay around my mid-section. Compare that to a friend of mine whose fat likes to evenly distribute itself throughout his body, so he pigs out often (chocolate at 2 am, etc...) and looks terrific. To each his own, you just have to figure out what works for you. Also, most people will never, ever, ever, ever look like Plitt... deal with it (I have)
     
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    This is the most American thread on StyleForum.

    That would be true as AB is the most American poster on SF.
     
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    this article made me think of this thread

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2011/...ghts.html#more


    to whoever said beer was ok: beer - 9000 bc. paleolithic - 2mill to 10000 bc.


    this claim of human not being evolved to eat certain foods is not true. paleo ppl cite milk as being bad for you as paleo humans didnt drink milk or eat milk products, but norther europeans seem to have very little lactose intolerance. isolated human populations also seem to be very well adapted to their own diets that are different from what paleo humans ate.

    and who knows what a paleo human ate? certainly not grass fed, organic cows or free range chickens, especially not the kind that are alive today (ie bred through artificial selection for more milk, bigger size, etc)
     
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    this article made me think of this thread

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2011/...ghts.html#more


    to whoever said beer was ok: beer - 9000 bc. paleolithic - 2mill to 10000 bc.


    this claim of human not being evolved to eat certain foods is not true. paleo ppl cite milk as being bad for you as paleo humans didnt drink milk or eat milk products, but norther europeans seem to have very little lactose intolerance. isolated human populations also seem to be very well adapted to their own diets that are different from what paleo humans ate.

    and who knows what a paleo human ate? certainly not grass fed, organic cows or free range chickens, especially not the kind that are alive today (ie bred through artificial selection for more milk, bigger size, etc)


    Chalk it up to all the cheese and chocolate. [​IMG]
     
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    Chalk it up to all the cheese and chocolate. [​IMG]

    Yes, because coco beans grow in northern Europe.
     
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    this article made me think of this thread

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2011/...ghts.html#more


    to whoever said beer was ok: beer - 9000 bc. paleolithic - 2mill to 10000 bc.


    this claim of human not being evolved to eat certain foods is not true. paleo ppl cite milk as being bad for you as paleo humans didnt drink milk or eat milk products, but norther europeans seem to have very little lactose intolerance. isolated human populations also seem to be very well adapted to their own diets that are different from what paleo humans ate.

    and who knows what a paleo human ate? certainly not grass fed, organic cows or free range chickens, especially not the kind that are alive today (ie bred through artificial selection for more milk, bigger size, etc)


    I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but there is plenty of evidence that they did eat grains. The thing to remember is the majority lived in a constant state of starvation. Disease and famine were rampant. I'm not sure were people got the idea that they were healthy by modern standards and should be idealized.
     
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    . I'm not sure were people got the idea that they were healthy by modern standards and should be idealized.
    Come on! Most lived into their 30s. How many people today make it that long?
     
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    Yes, because coco beans grow in northern Europe.
    No, but they seem to find their way there pretty damn well. They went from milk, to cheese to chocolate... the natural evolutionary change of human culinary refinement. You like it, the chocolate? I mean the big chink kind they have at wine tastings [​IMG]
     
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    I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but there is plenty of evidence that they did eat grains. The thing to remember is the majority lived in a constant state of starvation. Disease and famine were rampant. I'm not sure were people got the idea that they were healthy by modern standards and should be idealized.

    Also, people idolize things they really don't understand. If it's not Paleo, than they want to eat like Spartans (Lacedaemon)... food has completely changed since the days of Lycurgus, Leonidas, and Menelaus.
     
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    Come on! Most lived into their 30s. How many people today make it that long?

    [​IMG] The point, you missed it.
     
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    Also, most people will never, ever, ever, ever look like Plitt... deal with it (I have)
    I thought you had 5.3% body fat? [​IMG]
     
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    I thought you had 5.3% body fat? [​IMG]
    'Had' is the optimal word (first long winter in NY, plus shitty diet due to crappy job, plus not going to the gym = shitty shape. I have been going back to the gym now and eating unbelievably well again). I have never had his muscle mass, and also, if you read post #62, you would have read "I also have the misfortune of not having an even fat distribution, so my arms stay slim, but all the fat likes to stay around my mid-section." So I can't get my arms / shoulders anywhere close to Plitt levels (not naturally anyways) and its basically impossible to spot-reduce fat from a particular area. I mention in passing that I love SF sniping regarding a post that is 3 years old. [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG] The point, you missed it.

    I think he was being sarcastic.
     

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