Paleo diet

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  1. holymadness

    holymadness Senior member

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    What do you believe is causing overconsumption in the first place?
    To be clear, you think bread and sugar are CAUSING people to overeat?

    Not that your mindless pontificating isn't diverting, but don't you feel embarrassed?
     


  2. mm84321

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    That's absolutely preposterous for reasons that have been pointed out. How many people do you know with scurvy?
    My point is not that people today have high rates of scurvy--I never made any such statement--but that the causes of these vitamin-deficiency related diseases are not from of a lack of the nutrients in fruits and vegetables, as is commonly thought. That is all I am saying.
     


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    mm84321 Senior member

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    Food is easier then ever to produce. This has lead to an abundance of cheap food and large portions.
    So, essentially what you're saying is that we are over eating because the food is just simply there to be over eaten?
    To be clear, you think bread and sugar are CAUSING people to overeat? Not that your mindless pontificating isn't diverting, but don't you feel embarrassed?
    Yes, that is what I think, for reasons that I have gone into in previous discussions. Someone who is overweight or obese and "over eats" is actually suffering from an internal starvation. The nutrients their bodies and cells need to function properly are being hoarded into their fat tissue, therefore, they over consume to compensate. Chronically high levels of insulin is causing this to occur, and the carbohydrates are what cause the high levels of insulin. Why should I feel embarrassed?
     


  4. jawzzy

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    I just ate a whole bag of beef jerky while reading this threak. Just thought I'd toss that in. I think I feel my brow growing more prominent as I type.
     


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    SField Senior member

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    This discussion would be considered fucking retarded anywhere but in America.
     


  6. mm84321

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    This discussion would be considered fucking retarded anywhere but in America.

    Globalization: It's only a matter of time.
     


  7. indesertum

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    I think that misdiagnosis, or under-diagnosis, has a lot to do with it.

    i think the most recent estimate for celiac disease was 1 in 133. even if it was misdiagnosed or under diagnosed since the vast majority of the population consumes copious amounts of grains wouldnt you think that more people would be diagnosed with it than 1/133 of the population?

    so doctors misdiagnose or under diagnose the vast majority of celiac disease?

    that's a pretty big claim.



    but by how much?

    how much glucose will inhibit how much vitamin C?
     


  8. munchausen

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    My point is not that people today have high rates of scurvy--I never made any such statement--but that the causes of these vitamin-deficiency related diseases are not from of a lack of the nutrients in fruits and vegetables, as is commonly thought. That is all I am saying.

    well no offense but that's ridiculous and as far as I can tell you just pulled this out of your ass. If this were true, scurvy should be more prevalent than ever.
     


  9. Piobaire

    Piobaire Not left of center?

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    Oh hai gui, what are those Vit C rich fruits largely made up of? Oh yeah, fructose and glucose, which btw fructose has been implicated in metabolic syndrome too.

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  10. munchausen

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    Food is easier then ever to produce. This has lead to an abundance of cheap food and large portions.

    Of course, I am sure you will have some kind of argument linking it to carbs, sugar and insulin levels that you read out of a diet book or on a blog. We need our demons after all.


    Carbohydrates brought sin into the world, polluted the sky, and broke up the Beatles. Also, if you look closely at photos of the Kennedy assassination, you can clearly see a loaf of corn bread behind the grassy knoll.
     


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    i think the most recent estimate for celiac disease was 1 in 133. even if it was misdiagnosed or under diagnosed since the vast majority of the population consumes copious amounts of grains wouldnt you think that more people would be diagnosed with it than 1/133 of the population? so doctors misdiagnose or under diagnose the vast majority of celiac disease? that's a pretty big claim.
    I'm not claiming anything, it's just my assumption. We are, however, seeing a pretty rapid increase in the rate of gluten intolerance diagnosed in children, so it seems doctors may start running more of the necessary tests to look for these diet related allergies.
    It's a good question, and one that will need more research to be able to answer precisely. Looking at diabetics, though, we see that the circulating rates of vitamin C levels in those with diabetes is *30% lower than those without diabetes. *http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8918139
     


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    Carbohydrates brought sin into the world, polluted the sky, and broke up the Beatles. Also, if you look closely at photos of the Kennedy assassination, you can clearly see a loaf of corn bread behind the grassy knoll.

    This made me lol.
     


  13. Piobaire

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    It's a good question, and one that will need more research to be able to answer precisely. Looking at diabetics, though, we see that the circulating rates of vitamin C levels in those with diabetes is *30% lower than those without diabetes.

    *http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8918139


    This study asks the question, "Do people with DM need more intake of ascorbic acid than those without." It indicates the literature shows DM sufferers have lower blood levels of ascorbic. Have you thought that maybe their disease pathology causes the body to utilize more Vit C? Further, how does this in any way let one conclude that dietary levels of carbs in healthy people prevents uptake of Vit C? If anything, this study indicates to me that the pathologic condition of DM requires the body to use more Vit C not that it cannot absorb it.
     


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    Have you thought that maybe their disease pathology causes the body to utilize more Vit C? Further, how does this in any way let one conclude that dietary levels of carbs in healthy people prevents uptake of Vit C?
    Their disease pathology is precisely what causes their bodies to need more vitamin C for the reasons I described. The implication is that because people with diabetes have high levels of blood sugar that the cause of things like scurvy and other vitamin deficiency related diseases is also from an excess of glucose in the bloodstream.
    It requires the body to need more vitamin C because not enough is being utilized and properly absorbed by the body.
     


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    Their disease pathology is precisely what causes their bodies to need more vitamin C for the reasons I described. The implication is that because people with diabetes have high levels of blood sugar that the cause of things like scurvy and other vitamin deficiency related diseases is also from an excess of glucose in the bloodstream.



    It requires the body to need more vitamin C because not enough is being utilized and properly absorbed by the body.


    While I highly respect your obvious advanced education and thought process in this could you just maybe provide a link that actually says this?

    Can you maybe check into the whole kidney absorption thing for me too? Because I once heard that their just might be a link between DM and kidney disease which, you know, might inhibit absorbtion of ascorbic acid. Basically, you're taking a sequella and telling me the cause is the premorbid condition. You're making no logical sense.

    Actually, I think I need to back out before I just come out and tell you I think you're full of shit. You haven't addressed the fact that most of the best Vit C. sources are also loaded with fructose and glucose, for instance.
     


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