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jonas

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Greetings.

What is your general assesment of the quality of Pal Zileri products. They seem to offer a cloth branded "Loro Piana" which is very unfamiliar to me. Any thoughts?
 

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(1) Sartorial -- incredible quality.
(2) Gruppo Forall [white label] -- a notch below Canali in terms of quality, styling leaves a bit to be desired IMO.
(3) Pull -- leave it alone.

Loro Piana is a top flight Italian mill. Some on this board say its overrated, and I'll agree with that assessment. They have varying degrees of luxury in their fabric lines, but most are very good. I'm starting to agree that the English mills make better wools than the Italians, but I have at least three suits with Loro Piana fabric and I'm moderately happy with the fabric. Seems like LP might be more prone to runs though -- has anyone had this experience?
 

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If the Pal Zileri suit in question is using LoroPiana frabic, most likely it is from the Forall line. Even the cheapest offering(Super 120s Fourseasons) from LP mill is pretty good.

Personally I quite like Pal Zileri's cut and presentation of its products. Its drop 8 suit features wide shoulders and a pinch waistline, and its trousers often comes with a 2 inch cuff. Looks good if you got the right body and good height.
 

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Thanks.

The suit in question is a three-button tuxedo with matching vest in, as you mentioned, Loro Piana 120s. I ordered this suit without actually seeing one because the seller was a personal friend of mine... I'm only 5,8ft fall, so I hope the "good height" mentioned won't be a problem.
 

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Johnny, does the Sartorial line suit jacket have handstitched button holes? I checked out few sartorial line suits, as I remember, nothing really stood out that would top Canali and Zegna.
 

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Johnny, does the Sartorial line suit jacket have handstitched button holes?  I checked out few sartorial line suits, as I remember, nothing really stood out that would top Canali and Zegna.
As you say, it's a good suit. Comparable to Zegna/Canali but not superior to them. Good suits, but just a suit.
 

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I have a Pal Zileri Sartoriale suit and the quality is very high. It came without any buttons or button holes sewn on the sleeves. I can't say if the suit jacket buttonholes are handmade, but they are very nicely shaped and finished.
 

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Johnny, does the Sartorial line suit jacket have handstitched button holes? I checked out few sartorial line suits, as I remember, nothing really stood out that would top Canali and Zegna.
I am not Johnny, but have several PZ sartorial items. They are without question a cut above Canali, Corneliani, Zegna, etc. On par with Brioni, Zegna Napoli, Isaia, etc. A bit below Attolini, Oxxford and Kiton in terms of construction. I believe it has made Robb report best of the best a couple times.
 

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And what about the so-called White Label collection? My retailer says the biggest difference between that and Sartoriali is the cloth and some minor detailing. He adds that Pal Zileri has two futher collections which are more simple; the Pull and Concept collections.
 

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I'll have PZ Sartorial another look. But PZ Guppo (white label) is notch below Canali and Zegna. I think their RTW line price is some what close to Canali. Canali is much better quality I think. Also, I cannot say this for all Guppo suits, but the ones that I have looked at were fused.
 

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Minor detailing? I don't consider fairly extensive handwork minor detailing. From what I can tell, Pal Zileri white label (Gruppo Forall) is almost totally machine made. It's fully canvassed, but the stitches are clearly not done by hand. I've only seen one Sartorial piece, to be honest, but it clearly appeared to have handwork at the lapels, collar, and sleevehead. IMO, the GF line is a good notch below Canali, Cantarelli, and Corneliani at a similar price point.

The Pull line is not good -- bad fabrics, and totally fused. The person who said that the only difference was that it was more "simple," is either lying, misinformed, or he doesn't know the difference between a fused and a canvassed suit.
 

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Retailer says "White Label" is full canvas, not fused. They are made in Vicenza, he says. I don't know where the Sartoriali collection is made. As said, this is a personal friend who also sells Brioni, so I don't suspect him telling stories.
 

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The Pull line is not good -- bad fabrics, and totally fused.  The person who said that the only difference was that it was more "simple," is either lying, misinformed, or he doesn't know the difference between a fused and a canvassed suit.
I think I wasn't very clear with this comment. I wanted to say that Sartoriali and White Label were of higher quality than the two other collections. Thanks for the confirmation that both Sartoriali and White Label are full canvas, rest not.
 

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Yes, white label is full canvas. I said that. But it is almost totally devoid of handwork. The Pull line on the other hand is fused. I hope I was clear about that in my prior post.
 

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has anyone ever seen the cary grant pal zileri limited edition tuxedos? just curious given the marketing .......
 

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