TheChihuahua
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Maybe this is another England vs US thing, but I don’t think you can get much more formal than a navy blazer in a fine worsted with grey wool trousers. Most suits are less formal and a worsted suit is only fractionally more formal.
I’m also curious how you can think an outfit would look good with black shoes but is “not really a formal look”. That’s an oxymoron. Black is the most formal colour, and in classic menswear you would never wear black in an informal outfit.
agreeing here
a problem with the YouTube rules makers is they want to create rules That fit their location.
the New England country club scene 20-30 years ago? Similar to what you are talking about. Not suit formal, but definitely decent pants and a blazer, and black winged tip oxfords were somewhat of a staple. That smart casual look that has morphed into Biz Caj Plus that some advocate for.
for some dude from California to say that a staple and traditional New England country club look is against his made up rules, well... (I get it, he’s pushing an agenda and has skin in this discussion, but it’s nonsense)
this was an immensely popular country club shoe in the 1970’s into the 1990’s (the sneaker style shoe for golf becoming more popular in the 1990’s). I had three pairs of footjoy classic leather sole gold shoes. Soooo uncomfortable but it was all about oxfords and nice pressed golf trousers and a blazer at the club (they also sold the spikess version for while in the dining areas)
people didn’t wear suits on the golf course. Yet the nicest golf shoes mass accessible were oxfords. Amd I do think northeast country club style from a quarter to a half century ago falls within the realm classic menswear.
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