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Pairing oxford shoes with chinos

Is it acceptable to pair oxfords with chinos?

  • Yes, anytime, anywhere.

    Votes: 31 25.2%
  • Whenever you've got that "chino + oxfords" feeling.

    Votes: 21 17.1%
  • In a pinch (other pants at the cleaners, traveling, Halloween costume...)

    Votes: 29 23.6%
  • No, except maaaybe in a life or death situation.

    Votes: 42 34.1%

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Jan 22, 2020
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Seems so, yes, but he's still learning how to wear them. Give him time. Everyone has to start somewhere.
very true. While we might think those are nice shoes, we are new to wearing clothes so our eyes are not as well trained. As we get more accustomed to wearing clothes we will outgrow this phase of thinking nicer shoes look good and we will start to prefer uglier shoes.


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Mar 22, 2014
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Who is it?
Alright then, just because it's you...

Renaud Camus (no relation to the more famous one) is a prolific French intellectual and author (>100 books) who has lived a varied life that has ranged from socialist activist in France (and from the heart and the head, not for personal advancement like the leadership of the Parti Socialiste some of whom collaborated with the nazis) as well as risky, daring books exploring a very promiscuous homosexual lifestyle in a time when that community was ostracised, isolated in hidden venues, etc. - all the way to being the intellectual backbone to the French far right, simplified (too) greatly by the modern PR faces of said movement like Zemmour, and most famous for coining the phrase "the Great Replacement", which made it all the way to the manifesto of the NZ shooter. But that is not what I wanted to talk about and that (very limited, IMO) thread of his life is best kept for the CE cesspool.

Camus is worth reading because he brings together an interesting life experience, great classical erudition (Enguerrand Quarton makes his shortlist of "French culture things" but not better known names like Eiffel), time across the entire political spectrum, and a certain intelligence and independent way of thinking that is orthogonal to any of the groups he's been associated with (perhaps why he lives in relative isolation in his 13th century castle in the South West).

Let's take his "those who have experienced history together". And what is this thread if not circling this idea (and not the version Camus sells in the eponymous book). There are some glasses from the mid 19th century in my grandmother's house. When I drink wine from them, I am temporarily transported to a house in Damascus around 1850 where a merchant whose daguerreotype shows many traits in common with mine is trying his luck at something other than keeping cows in the alpages, and celebrates a business success with a fresh set of crystalware. The wine snob would sneer at the straight sides, the imperfections in the cut, the relative thickness of the stem, the probable high lead content. Terrible for drinking wine but it is my history. I like it. I could list a thousand other anecdotes like these. My family, ancestors, people have shared history and through these objects I connect to them and it is valuable to me. Americans (and to a lesser extent the mainland Chinese) are interesting in that they create their history. American history is relatively recent, if prolific, and many Americans' presence in their own country is at most a couple of generations old; both disconnected from their roots and in a country where the reification of mythos is commonplace, a form of magical realism (a style whose most popular proponent in the US is English), a fantasy of one's roots with little in common with the spiritual core thereof, becomes a perfectly valid means of connection with the past. And so, Derek's claims are perfectly valid and American. It was certainly an interesting thread.

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