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Spot on. I've worn some highly polished (though not a pure mirror shine) pair of plain toe bluchers recently with both grey and navy suits, and nobody batted an eye. They looked perfectly appropriate. And a couple of days later, I can dress those exact same shoes down to dark denim or anything in between. I've really come around to the idea that a nice pair of black ptb are the one shoe wardrobe choice.In all practicality, the formality distinction between oxford and derby is pretty antiquated.
Black derby dress shoes polished to a mirror sheen are absolutely appropriate with a business suit in even the most conservative environments. So are black wingtips and brogues, in either closed or open lace configuration.
Brown shoes are inherently more casual, so the distinction between oxford and derby is even more moot. If comfortable and liked by their owner, they should be worn whenever the owner pleases. They are not out of place with jeans, chinos, slacks, or a suit enough to be offensive.
My only eye-raiser is wearing black oxford dress shoes with jeans or chinos. That's akin to wearing basketball sneakers with a suit. I mean yeah, people do it.
“Mirror shine” being the hyperbole used to emphasize that dirty, scuffed shoes lower the formality regardless of the shoe.Spot on. I've worn some highly polished (though not a pure mirror shine)
The Tetbury's play!“Mirror shine” being the hyperbole used to emphasize that dirty, scuffed shoes lower the formality regardless of the shoe.
I’ve seen men wearing polished black chukka boots with suits. It’s a bit bold for my personal business wardrobe, and I certainly noticed, but it worked fine and I take those particular gentlemen no less seriously.
And that's the beautiful thing about choice. You don't feel comfortable doing it, so you don't have to. Other people feel perfectly comfortable doing it so they do. It should be pretty evident by now that the two camps are going to continue to disagree on the topic. In something that would surely cause people here to turn their noses up and harumph, I wore my alden long-wings with a grey suit a month ago - and received a couple compliments. Poor, uninformed fools - too ignorant to know I was wearing an in-formal shoe with a suit and tie. Hopefully they will educate themselves and look down on the next fool to make such a mistakeBut I’ve increasingly felt that I was really pushing it whenever I wore oxfords outside of a suit; I’d have this vague sense of unease about it. DWW’s posts in this thread kind of put my unease into words (or, I guess, crystallized my thinking on the subject).
nope. Rules are rules. DWW even said, suit without a tie cannot have oxfords.I think even the diehard 'oxfords only with suits' crowd in this thread already acknowledged that changing shoes when you leave work and remove your tie for a night out is unnecessary.
I'm still not sure if the 'orthopedic shoes' thing is just a joke, but I'm curious if you believe that open lacing converts an oxford into a medical device and how you reconcile that with the apparent POV that oxfords and derbies are more or less interchangeable.
correctI don't think anyone in this thread has said you must wear oxfords if you're wearing a suit.
the made up igent rule that is worthy of ridicule is: Oxfords may ONLY be worn with a suit (and you must have a tie).
I tend to agree that most oxfords don’t go well with cotton chino pants (although there are some that look nice). It’s the rule that oxfords have only one purpose: suits (while wearing a tie) that is laughable.