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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by understated, May 5, 2005.

  1. understated

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    It seems to me that many members here as well as older generations of people feel that there has been some degeneration of men's style in the U.S. these days. So, I was thinking recently about what sartorial contributions people feel that modern generations have made in the way of, for lack of a better term, 'new' classic items of clothing? Or are items just recycled and updated along the way? Opinions?
     
  2. StevenRocks

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    I think the 'hoodie' has come into its own. Of course, right now it's overdone, but I think we may be looking at the basic design for decades to come.
     
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    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Mike C. Senior member

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    There has been no degeneration of men's style. Fashion EVOLVES. What you seen now has been an evolution of men's dress. Style is dynamic, not static. Older generations will always say the younger generations are screwing things up.
     
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    "Older generations will always say the younger generations are screwing things up"

    And with ever-increasing justification, I will add.
     
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    Horace Senior member

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    Not to mention that the young Mike C.'s use of "EVOLVE" [caps original] suggests progress. So that we may apply his mantra obversely: the young always think they are improving on the old.
     
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    But they did. I like my lightweight suits made of Supers wool, my sneakers, my jeans, and my t-shirts. Even if some of these examples (two) aren't original, they certainly have been improved upon (suits) or are considered appropriate to wear in public (t-shirts.) As much as people love to romanticize the 30's, keep in mind that much of what they wore back then wasn't worn by the generation before. What is this "dinner jacket" malarkey about

    Listen, if we were really holding onto the CLASSICS, we'll have a market for loincloths.
     
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    LabelKing Senior member

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    Designer clothing.

    Not all is pleasing to look at but the general concept.
     
  9. Bergdorf Goodwill

    Bergdorf Goodwill Senior member

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    (Patrick06790 @ May 05 2005,20:28) "Older generations will always say the younger generations are screwing things up" And with ever-increasing justification, I will add.
    Not to mention that the young Mike C.'s use of "EVOLVE" [caps original] suggests progress. So that we may apply his mantra obversely: the young always think they are improving on the old.
    There is no implicit "progress" involved in evolution. It is simply change. This is a common misunderstanding.
     
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    johnw86 Senior member

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    In addition to the hoodie, there's also baggy cargo shorts (worn with a ball cap, of course). [​IMG]
     
  11. AlanC

    AlanC Minister of Trad

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    I just don't 'get' the hoodie other than something to jog in when it's cold outside.

    I think we're seeing a couple of changes in formal wear that will be permanent (as much as anything is): notch lapel dinner jackets and four in hand formal ties. Shawl and peaked lapels and bow ties will always be accepted, and 'right', but I think the notch lapel and long tie are here to stay.
     
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    relatively recent evolutions that are "new classics"

    the extinction of the hat (-some say automobiles killed them, some say it was JFK, but they're all but gone and will stay that way)

    the birth of sunglasses (-a "new classic" item)

    jeans (-perhaps the single most important fashion item since WWII)

    sneakers (-not that they, as such, are high fashion, but they have fundamentally changed the shoe world, from putting rubber soles on leather shoes, to the more recent trend of having higher-end shoe makers have "athletic-inspired" lines)

    also - how recent is the 2 piece suit?
     
  13. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Originally Posted by Horace,May 05 2005,22:04
    "Older generations will always say the younger generations are screwing things up" And with ever-increasing justification, I will add.
    Not to mention that the young Mike C.'s use of "EVOLVE" [caps original] suggests progress. Â So that we may apply his mantra obversely: Â the young always think they are improving on the old.

    There is no implicit "progress" involved in evolution. It is simply change. This is a common misunderstanding.
    I agree absolutely that there is no absolute aesthetic for men's clothing. But I disagree about the hat being "dead". Maybe certain types of hats may be "dead", but as long as there are heads, the popularity of headwear of sundry variety will wax and wane. It jnust so happens that the head is not an body part that needs to be covered at all times (in European derived cultures) or for practical reasons so hats in general can be out, while shoes, for example, will always be in.
     
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    Tod's driving shoes.
     
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    50 years ago and before that for hudreds of years hats were absolutely necessary attire for walking out of doors.

    As popular as baseball caps remain, I don't think there will ever come a time again when hads will become the same essential piece of clothing they once were. Largely, I think, because of cars: there's just not enough head room in modern cars to keep your hat on, and modern cars also have head-rests that would interfere with most hats. (The same can be said of airplanes). This has become so universal that even in a city like New York, where wearing hats would actually make a lot of sense (since most commuters don't drive, but take the subway or the train) one rarely sees anyone wearing a hat.

    It's been that way long enough for the hat's loss to not be a mere fad or fashion phenomenon.
     

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