yeah most of my jeans are <6 inches. just comes with the territory of size 26 or 27. as far as the joeys.. for some reason I had the impression their leg opening was a tad bigger, than say hobokens. just looks like it from the pictures. the ones chris has are not the joeys and I have a feeling those are tighter/smaller opening than they joeys. not certain though. yeah...when you are a 27 it is hard to keep the hems from getting really small. i think the one that chris got is a girls jean, but i am not certain. the measurements i provided are from a pair of joey cords, which the cord material is amazing btw. i personally don't like the look of skin tight skinny jeans and much prefer the anti fit slouch look. oh, the model chris as is the pixel. there used to be a cut inbetween sinner and the joey and it was called the epoxy but i don't think they still make it. to the dude that just got them...the overdrive denim is ill.