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Opera Pumps - What's the Deal?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Augusto86, May 10, 2007.

  1. Augusto86

    Augusto86 Senior member

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    I've seen them in various threads. Bespoke, whatever. I still don't get them. Aren't these women's shoes??? Do men actually wear them? They seem painfully 19th century. I just don't understand. In what context are they appropriate, and are they ever required. Because I know for a fact I will never wear them, but I'm curious who does and when? [​IMG]
     
  2. thinman

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    Worn with black tie. I think there are better choices, but others like them.
     
  3. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    Also bullfights wear a similar pump.
     
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    A Y Senior member

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    I do, with black tie. It is surprisingly subtle within the context of the entire outfit.

    --Andre
     
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    Worn with black tie. I think there are better choices, but others like them.


    What are the better choices?
     
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    lee_44106 Senior member

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    There are no better choices.

    The opera pump is a remnant of the court shoe, from the 19th century. A tuxedo is a formal wear that truly has no meaningful use in current days, but we still attire ourselves in such for "formal" occasions. Best to stick with tradition, which is what an opera pump is.

    I have a pair by RLPL/EG. It's very subtle when worn properly.
     
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    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    What are the better choices?
    patent plain oxfords.
     
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    you wear black socks with this? white socks?
     
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    oscarthewild Senior member

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    I much prefer pumps in calf with grosgrain bow over pumps in patent.
    As dinner jacket is not work wear, I prefer not to "boot up" with laced shoes.

    -
     
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    teddieriley Senior member

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    Sure, but tradition for some is not tradition for others...i.e. I'm not anglo, nor do I necessarily believe that my attempts at formal wear should embrace its "roots" in its entirety, viz a viz "completing" the outfit with 19th century inspired pumps. So it's not "best to stick with tradition" in all cases...
     
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    Frank Sinatra wore them, therefore they are not sissy.
     
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    you wear black socks with this? white socks?

    Very thin, sheer, black silk-blend socks for pumps or oxfords. They can have some decoration on the side. Brooks Brothers has the plain ones, and Alex Kabbaz carries some with clocks.

    --Andre
     
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    I had them in boxcalf and loved them, but they were a bit tight for me. I would buy a pair again.
     
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    patent plain oxfords.

    +1
    I own black calfskin wholecuts in the event I someday find an excuse to wear black tie, since I can't justify buying patent leather shoes. It's a sartorial sin of the first magnitude to some; marginally acceptable to others.
     
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    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    +1
    I own black calfskin wholecuts in the event I someday find an excuse to wear black tie, since I can't justify buying patent leather shoes. It's a sartorial sin of the first magnitude to some; marginally acceptable to others.


    Totally acceptable to me. Especially if mirror shined. I personally find that more elegant than patent oxford
     
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    +1 I own black calfskin wholecuts in the event I someday find an excuse to wear black tie, since I can't justify buying patent leather shoes. It's a sartorial sin of the first magnitude to some; marginally acceptable to others.
    Agreed. That's the way I'm doing it. And I would never wear opera pumps ... they are too effeminate for my taste. It's great that they've been worn for x number of decades, but even in photos from long ago, they look effeminate.
     
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    you guys may not know it, but opera pumps (as well as opera in general) are Widely Considered Gay.
     
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    you guys may not know it, but opera pumps (as well as opera in general) are Widely Considered Gay.

    Manton now has to straighten this out!
     
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    A tuxedo is a formal wear that truly has no meaningful use in current days, but we still attire ourselves in such for "formal" occasions.

    Isn't black tie supposed to be a "party" outfit while white tie is reserved for the "formal" occasions? At least that's what the practice over here is.
     
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    Isn't black tie supposed to be a "party" outfit while white tie is reserved for the "formal" occasions? At least that's what the practice over here is.

    Yes, black tie is officially considered semi-formal, whereas white tie is formal.
     

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