I like Color #8, but I'd like something redder and brighter. I like plain-toe-bluchers, but I'm looking for something a bit edgier. Thus, I think I want a pair of Burgundy Cordovan Chukkas. I've identified three possibilities: 1) AE Dundee Chukkas in Burgundy Shell Cordovan 2) Carmina 905 Chukka Boots (Simpson Last) in Burgundy Shell 3) Vass 1085 Chukka (Last F) in Burgundy Shell What I'm really looking for is something that is as close as possible to Horween's Color #4, and not just a lightened Color #8. I have some AEs and some Carminas, but I have never purchased from Vass. Anyone happen to know if any of these are made from Color #4 - and are there any good choices that I've left out?