well, let me put that whole dog to rest by saying only that JLC is a mid-tier brand to me. that's how I was introduced to them and that's how I think of them to this day. I dont think of mid tier as a slight in ANY way. In fact, I would consider them to be the nicest watch many people will ever see in a day to day situation. and they are indeed extremely nice pieces. Artful in fact. I just see them as a bit less polished than the big 3. It's all just a matter of opinion at this point so if I ruffled any feathers I apologise. That certainly was not my intention. call em like you see em and I'll continue to do the same.