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Official: Superhero, Comic Book, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Horror, etc... FILM THREAD

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. noob in 89

    noob in 89 Distinguished Member

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    Made two jokes in poor taste years ago.
     

  2. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    10 years ago. A few jokes some alt-right trolls dug up to destroy his career. All because he was vocal about what a jackass Trump is.
     

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    noob in 89 Distinguished Member

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    True. And these are the same people defending Tucker Carlson, now that the shoe’s on the other foot.
     

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    Notably you are talking with one of the guys attacking Tucker and not seeing the irony of this poast.

    Anyway comic book movies are for kids.
     
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  5. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    You think Tucker is apologetic about his past statements?
     

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    noob in 89 Distinguished Member

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    What? I’m talking to the internet; my words are for the ages!

    You can find fault with Tucker Carlson for any number of reasons. (At least now he’s graduated to big boy ties).
     

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    Sorry meant mouse
     

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    I do not think he is. However situation is basically the same. Would you agree bothof them should keep their job?
     

  9. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    One has been highly apologetic over the years and shown a change in behavior. The other doesn’t feel his words were wrong and continues to push white nationalist narratives.

    You do see the difference right?

    I mean calling them “basically the same” is the sort of backwards logic people tried to use to compare Gunn to Roseanne.
     

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    There’s another thing to consider ; very few comments Tucker made warrant any apology. But essentially same for Gunn. Neither of them should be forced to apologize or be fired. Its nice if they do but not needed. I doubt Gunns sense of humor actually changed.
     
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    In success for ‘Captain Marvel,’ a defeat for trolls
    By JAKE COYLE March 13, 2019

    NEW YORK (AP) — Captain Marvel possesses superhuman strength, cosmic awareness and, it turns out, the ability to vanquish trolls.

    Marvel’s “Captain Marvel,” the superhero factory’s first movie fronted solely by a female hero, last weekend notched the sixth largest global opening ever and in five days of release has already sold $524.1 million tickets worldwide, Disney said Wednesday. That was despite the efforts of a vocal minority to sabotage the movie’s release in a campaign to lower audience scores and disseminate false information about the film’s star, Brie Larson.

    It’s a playbook borrowed from the political realm and brought into the movie theater. And the movies that have drawn such attention have, more times than not, starred women in franchises previously dominated by males. But after similar campaigns against “Ghostbusters” and “The Last Jedi,” Hollywood studios are fighting back, as are sites like Rotten Tomatoes and YouTube.

    Paul Feig’s 2016 female-led “Ghostbusters” remake, which Donald Trump himself spoke out against, was among the first films to be targeted by users rating it lowly on sites like the Internet Movie Database (IMDb) before the film was even released. On YouTube, it was the most disliked trailer ever.

    A similar strategy was employed on Rian Johnson’s “Star Wars Episode VII: The Last Jedi,” which — like “Ghostbusters” — had, and continues to have, genuine detractors who simply didn’t like the movie. But there were concerted efforts to amplify criticism of “The Last Jedi,” which notably expanded the “Star Wars” universe with new heroes like Laura Dern’s resistance leader and Kelly Marie Tran’s maintenance worker. Tran eventually deleted her Instagram account after months of harassment.

    So when Johnson and Feig saw similar attempts being made ahead of the release of “Captain Marvel,” they recognized the handiwork.

    “Pretty much the new ‘Certified Fresh’ badge,” said Johnson , linking to an article about review bombing on “Captain Marvel.” ″What a sad, sad pathetic group of people are who organize to do things like this,” said Feig .

    The amplified backlashes to both “The Last Jedi” (which opened strong but faded) and “Ghostbusters” (which disappointed altogether) appeared to hurt the films’ bottom lines.

    But the tide may be turning. The same Facebook group that organized to vote down “The Last Jedi” also went after Ryan Coogler’s “Black Panther.” That time, though, both Facebook and Rotten Tomatoes moved to counter the group, which was removed from Facebook. “Black Panther” became the third highest grossing film of all time domestically, not accounting for inflation.

    And “Captain Marvel,” which drew a majority male audience (55 percent), similarly showed no signs of any ill effect .

    “If those trolls had any negative impact on the box office, somebody point it out to me because I just don’t see it,” said Paul Dergarabedian, senior media analyst for Comscore. “The trolls, they’re not going derail a movie like this. For the fans, they love Marvel, they love the brand. Other than a terrible movie, nothing would dissuade the Marvel fans and the movie fans from coming out and seeing a film.”

    Marvel, whose 21 films have earned a combined $18 billion in global box office, is indeed about as unassailable as any studio ever has been. “Captain Marvel” was also cunningly positioned as a need-to-see appetizer to “Avengers: Endgame,” due out April 26.

    But “Captain Marvel” found itself in the crosshairs with some largely in response to Larson’s advocacy for diversity in film and in those who write about it. A USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative study last year found that, for the 100 top grossing films in 2017, 77.8 percent of the critics counted on Rotten Tomatoes were male and 86 percent were white.

    At the time of the study’s release, Larson said: “I do not need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘A Wrinkle in Time.’” Larson later said she, after noticing that critics reviewing movies “appeared to be overwhelmingly white male” decided to make her press interviews “more inclusive.”

    “This film is about trying to put in as many little revolutions as possible,” she told AV Club. “And as many little nods to what that experience is like, being a woman, so that other people could feel less alone.”

    Online critics exaggerated her words in videos like one titled “Brie Larson hates white men.” Others said her character didn’t smile enough in promotional materials. Larson responded with a photo of giant grins superimposed on previous male Marvel heroes.

    But perhaps more importantly, steps were taken to mitigate any troll effect on “Captain Marvel.” Two studio executives who spoke anonymously because they weren’t authorized to speak about their about their anti-troll efforts, said they’ve become more adept and prepared for combating organized negativity around a release. There are no more sneak attacks.

    And the avenues for manipulating audience perception are dwindling.

    YouTube, where anti-Larson videos proliferated ahead of the film’s opening, chose to categorize “Brie Larson” as a news search, not a general one. The algorithm tweak, first initiated to combat conspiracy videos after the 2017 Las Vegas music festival shooting, pushed videos from news and entertainment outlets up, and rants like “Brie Larson is Ruining Marvel!” down.

    Rotten Tomatoes, which ranks both critic and audience scores, removed the potential for audience scoring before a movie is released. Though an initial wave of negative audience ratings pushed the score for “Captain Marvel” down, by Wednesday it was at 63 percent — almost exactly the film’s average on Metacritic.

    Dana Benson, a representative for the Fandango-owned Rotten Tomatoes, said the site is exploring more adjustments to prevent the gaming of its audience scores including a “verified purchase” component to reviews, similar to Amazon’s system, so to audience reviews come from those who have seen the movie.

    “We’ve seen it with enough movies that we know we have to evolve our system,” said Benson of the trolling. “Anyone that has an open system like we do has received this type of attention. Moving forward, we want to make sure our users can trust our audience score and that we find different ways to verify the reviews.”


    'Captain Marvel' On Track To Fly Past $1 Billion At Worldwide Box Office
    Mar 14, 2019, 02:47pm
    Mark Hughes Contributor
    Hollywood & Entertainment
    I write about films, especially superhero films, & Hollywood.


    With its first week of global release coming to an end, Marvel Studios' Captain Marvel is already the highest-grossing film of 2019 at the domestic box office, and is the second-highest grossing film internationally, behind The Wandering Earth. But Captain Marvel will take the top spot on foreign charts as well in the next few days, as it continues riding high on a wave of overwhelmingly positive word of mouth and repeat business toward a likely $750-775 million total this weekend. All signs now suggest the superhero origin film will fly past $1 billion at the worldwide box office by the end of its run. Read on for details...

    Brie Larson's cosmic warrior has already amassed an estimated worldwide gross of $555+/- million through close of business Wednesday, and should end Thursday with around $575+ million in its tank. And the weekend should bring another $60+ million from domestic theaters, as well as at least $120+ million overseas, for at least $755 million in global receipts.

    On the low end of outcomes, a weaker showing today plus a larger-than-expected drop in all markets would still result in a roughly $720 million worldwide cume through close of business Sunday, still more than enough to launch Captain Marvel to the #1 spot at the box office worldwide and internationally (again, it is already the year's biggest film in North America).

    On the higher end, a strong Thursday plus smaller-than-expected declines through the weekend would result in an enormous $800+/- million cume to conclude the weekend. The mid-range between high-end and low-end outcomes is $760 million.

    Directors Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck crafted a superhero sci-fi adventure that is resonating well with a diverse global audience, and all signs indicate Captain Marvel will easily surpass the lower end of potential outcomes. Even a low-end $720 million outcome would still indicate what we all pretty much knew after opening weekend but waited til now to confirm -- Captain Marvel will likely top $1 billion at the worldwide box office by the end of its run.

    Yes, there is a scenario where a combination of sudden downturn in audience interest for Captain Marvel, plus extremely high audience enthusiasm and turnout for new releases, results in an unexpectedly large slowdown for the latest MCU blockbuster and causes it to fall shy of the magic $1 billion number.

    If that happened, Captain Marvel is still pacing toward at least $950+ million without the addition of Japan's box office, which should be good for at least another $10-15+ million. This is the worst-case scenario beyond even low-end expectations (the difference being expectations based on realistic potential outcomes, versus unlikely events defying realistic expectations and causing outcomes far different from what available evidence indicates), and it still puts Captain Marvel in position to top $900+ million.

    In that case, Captain Marvel would still be the fourth-highest grossing March release in history, behind Beauty and the Beast, Alice in Wonderland, and Zootopia. And it would be the fourth-highest grossing non-Avengers MCU movie, behind Black Panther, Iron Man 3, and Captain America: Civil War. If things work out better and Captain Marvel finishes more in the mid-range to high end of expectations, then it could pass Civil War for the #3 spot on that MCU list.

    I'll have more updates for you as Captain Marvel continues to dominate the box office this weekend and beyond, as well as coverage of the upcoming Avengers: Endgame, so stay tuned. Meanwhile, be sure to read my complete debunking of the biggest complaints about Captain Marvel in my other article today.

    Box office figures and tallies based on data via Box Office Mojo, Rentrak, and TheNumbers.


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  12. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    Ah look. I'm not one to think someone should be fired for a comment they made 10 years ago. No matter the side of politics they are on.

    This whole back and forth started because you compared Gunn to Tucker and I don't see that as a good comparison. Gunn was at a different stage of his life. Look at the films he made back then. He's long since acknowledged the jokes he made were wrong and shown a change in behavior.

    Tucker seems to think there was nothing wrong with the racist and disturbing comments he made about underage girls. He continues to push forward a white nationalist narrative. There is no change of behavior at display here.

    If you can't see the difference on display here, thast's on you.
     
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    I have no interest in making entertainment movies into a political issue. Ghostbusters and Last Jedi were awful. Capt. Marvel also. I didn’t rate it on IMDb or rt or anywhere else. If Hollywood thinks making garbage movies and attaching politics to them in an attempt to make me buy tickets is going to work they are mistaken. Anyone who buys a ticket to a behemoth Disney movie with the hopes of empowering women is a moron.
     

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    I mean, they’re in a weird position. In terms of both the comics and the movies, there seems to be a general feeling of goodwill where they want to be more inclusive in terms of their writers, readers and subject matter in a way that aligns with their artistic values. But at the same time, they must navigate multiple, opposing, in some cases asinine, groups of people yelling for different things — and then sell them their product. All while making decent films. It has to be a lot of pressure.
     

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    Into the Spider Verse was, easily, the most woke ass superhero film. People don't bitch about it because 1) it was good and 2) they haven't been told to bitch about it yet. We are one Fox segment or DT tweet Tweet away from dipshits ruining it for normal people.
     

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