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Official: STAR WARS THREAD. These are the droids you're looking for. **WARNING MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS

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I really don't know why I bother sometimes... my brief (re)review of The Phantom Menace is only two pages back: https://www.styleforum.net/threads/...ontain-spoilers.321243/page-358#post-10136768

The racism is not the product of some kind of weird imagination as @wojt would have you believe. It's not just Jar-Jar, who was such a disliked addition that Lucas abandoned his own plans for the character and reduced him to a bit part; it's his entire dim, sub-aquatic people. It's also the Trade Federation, who are pathetic, treacherous schemers, and talk like a racist stereotype of East Asian people (Chinese, Japanese, hard to tell - anyway, they all look the same, amirite?). It's also the avaricious, slave-owning Toydarian with his (wink-wink) huge proboscis, and not-at-all stereotype Jewish accent.

In short, just about any alien race of consequence in the film is a racial stereotype. It's a consequence at least partly of Lucas's decision to have them speak in English, instead of using subtitles for imaginary languages as in the original trilogy. No-one thinks Wookies or Jawas are racist stereotypes, right? Imagine if Lucas had had Chewbacca speak English with a 'hilarious' Jamaican accent or something... I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be thinking of Star Wars in the same way.


I haven't seen it 15 years, but I fondly remember a re-edit of the phantom menance that exploits this to pretty good effect.

They recut the audio on all of the alien races and use subtitles instead. Combine that with some deleted scenes and editing and they take the film to a much darker and better place.

 

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Of course the later Lucas digital additions are annoying and pointless like all of his messing about, and add nothing to the film, particularly the laughable Jabba the Hutt sequence in which he appears to change size several times - but it's interesting that the one thing he didn't do was the go in and edit for continuity.


Bro--gotta go grab Harmy's Despecialized Editions. It is the most painstaking restoration of the original trilogy that you can get. All of the video and audio quality of a modern bluray release, but without any of the special edition junk.

These aren't 100% quality, but it is a lot easier to download some files from a Google drive than go find the right torrents:
 

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it's his entire dim, sub-aquatic people. It's also the Trade Federation, who are pathetic, treacherous schemers, and talk like a racist stereotype of East Asian people (Chinese, Japanese, hard to tell - anyway, they all look the same, amirite?). It's also the avaricious, slave-owning Toydarian with his (wink-wink) huge proboscis, and not-at-all stereotype Jewish accent.

Oh okay I got you. Probably wasn't paying attention enough to notice anything about those characters/races you mention because I don't remember any of that.

When I get bored during a movie, I tend to tune it out, start drinking, talking to someone next to me, etc. So I must have missed all that. Like how I 'watched' Star Trek Beyond and still have no idea what the movie was about lol
 

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Notice how all orks are black? How ferengi are Jewish? If you look deep into these movies you will see patterns that are either not there, patterns that are coincidences(like the fact that top3 ferengi were played by Jews) or resemblenes to some Earth cultures in some ways. Latter is because both stories are centered around humanoids that are really human. For our human mind it is truly difficult to think of something different. Sometimes it is conscious thing - like say Romulans(duh).

Eventually Ferengi are not inferior to humans, neither are Neimodans, neither are Gugans with exception of Jar-jar.

So I wonder were actual racism part enters in to the equation.

Actually both movie franchises often teach us to treat those species like Ferengi fair and without prejudice.

All of this bs comes from purple haired guilt-ridden white people with too much time on their hands.
 

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Notice how all orks are black? How ferengi are Jewish? If you look deep into these movies you will see patterns that are either not there, are coincidences(like the fact that top3 ferengi were played by jews) or resembles some earth culture in some way, because both stories are centered around humanoids that are really human. For our human mind it is truly difficult to think of something different. Sometimes it is conscious thing - like say Romulans(duh).

Eventually Ferengi are not inferior to humans, neither are Neimodans, neither are Gugans with exception of Jar-jar.

So I wonder were actual racism part enters in to the equation.

Actually both movie franchises often teach us to treat those species like Ferengi fair and without prejudice.

All of this bs comes from purple haired guilt-ridden white people with too much time on their hands.

Yeah. True. I think it's a problem when they try to base an alien race off a human civilization, or even give them traits. Understandable, but I can also see how it would seem racist, even if it's not meant to be intentionally.

One of the many reasons I love the Mass Effect videogames so much. All their alien races had no human analogues and were completely their own thing.

Except for the Krogan...they def ripped off the Klingons there, but still Klingons aren't human so I don't count that lol
 

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Klingon can be easily constructed as some honor based warrior run society like feudal Japan, Mongols, Vikings

Klingon notion of warrior honor is very human concept, sort of like Dorthaki in GOT

It's hard to escape those comparison because you still operate with human cultural concepts
 

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Damn it, I'm going to refrain from posting more replies because this is supposed to be about Star Wars lol sorry
 

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Damn it, I'm going to refrain from posting more replies because this is supposed to be about Star Wars lol sorry

though thanks for reminder, I still have to watch DS9 and play MO :embar:
 

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he defeated some of the evil guys in the movie, but he sucked like most characters due to mediocre dialogues

in other news StarWars racism is one thing, but it's still better than what Deep Space 9 did to Jews:

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I take this is your favourite series? Hitler would be proud
Don’t forget Watto, the hook-nosed merchant with the Mediterranean accent whose greed was stronger than the Force.
 

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though thanks for reminder, I still have to watch DS9 and play MO :embar:

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Don’t forget Watto, the hook-nosed merchant with the Mediterranean accent whose greed was stronger than the Force.

Must be loved child of these greek-jewish couple from My Big Fat Greek Wedding
 

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Because I can....live with it.
 

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YOU'RE TEARING ME APARRTTTTTTTTT, FINN! !!!!

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