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Official 2012 College Football Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by MrG, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. adsmith4

    adsmith4 Senior member

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    Gene Chizik is about to be another coach who was fired after winning a national championship. And he will be fired only two years after his championship. Without Cam Newton, Chizik is a measly 17-15 and a whopping 1-5 this season. Now what's so bad about that is he has three consecutive top ten recruiting classes and is only two years removed from a national championship. Can't have that when your cross state rival, my Crimson Tide, is gunning for two national championships in a row and three out of the last four.
     
  2. Texasmade

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    That Miami team was one of the most stacked teams ever. They had I think 10 first round draft picks in the starting lineup and a few backups that eventually became 1st round draft picks.

    I'll give you Bowden being forced into retirement and I guess same goes with Lloyd Carr. There's also Jim Tressel but that was rules violation more than losing so I don't really count him. I see Chizik joining this list in a couple of years if he has another bad year next year. Other than that though you're right, almost every other coach that won a NC has left on their own terms (somewhat).
     
  3. FLMountainMan

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    Bobby Bowden had already retired, in the sense of not working anymore. He just still wanted to be paid. Seriously, name another Top 25 team with a football coach who worked 9-4pm during the season (much less actually admitted it). He was a great coach, but I doubt he could name anyone who played for him after 2003 aside from Christian Ponder and Chris Rix.
     
  4. ChicagoRon

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    Actually - I ignored Tressel for the same reason (and he's dead to me). Carr is 50/50 - and but his program had the same fate as UT in the immediate aftermath.

    I wrote a paper in B-school about how bad a job it is to follow a legend (primarily based on the career of Earl Bruce).
     
  5. grundletaint

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    His band of misfits is an 8 point underdog to fucking VANDY this weekend. LOL. Even with cam, they barely squeaked by a couple of games that season until cam did his thing. He's a shit coach and I hope stays with them another 5 years!

    Mack lucked out with VY and colt and without someone of that caliber who can take the team on his back, mack's gonna have a multiple loss squad from here out. He got exposed after colt left and the band-aid is already starting to peel off.
     
  6. adsmith4

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    Being an Alabama fan, I couldn't think of anything better than CheeseDip staying another 5 years. Eventually these highly touted kids out of high school will realize he can't coach them up and will come to Bama. Also, I was sitting in the endzone at the national championship game when we knocked Colt out of the game. Chizik and Brown are both gimmick coaches, and without those gimmicky players they are shit. Ask Colt and Vince how well prepared they were for the NFL. $cam was a fluke.
     
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    Are there that many more spots for highly rated kids to go to Alabama? It seems like they're already filling all of their spots with top-tier recruits.
     
  8. RedLantern

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    WTF are you on about here? What is a gimmicky player? How what does nick saban do schematically that makes him a great football coach? He appears to be a very good recruiter, but you're implying that a coach that can only win with outlier type athletes is less than adequate . . .
     
  9. grundletaint

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    There are. He's just now at the point where all the players are his and those from the previous era have moved on. It's getting to the point that he can just hand pick them now. And with the way he's putting them in the NFL, and they're doing we'll there, kids will definitely be willing to go even if they need to ride the bench a little at first.
     
  10. grundletaint

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    He's a great coach because you can plug and play pretty much anyone on the field and odds are damn good they'll still win the game. His players respect him and his program, generally behave themselves off the field (unlike the Chiz who has players publicly biatching about leadership and a wife who's spouting off about satan on Facebook), and show up to do their jobs regardless of personal opinion. They are proven to be prepared for life after the NCAA and don't collapse immediately like just about any player who's come out of Mack's program.

    He doesn't rely on one player to carry the game and those coaches who do are less than adequate because the entire idea of coaching is that you create and sustain a team, not a supporting cast for one player who happens to play at an extremely high level and has a team who falls apart should something happen to them (Cam, Manning's Colts, etc). I wouldn't call Cam or Colt "gimmicky" (a term much better suited for a Tebow type) but their coaches had lucklaster programs both before and after them (well, Vince and Colt for Mack). Hell, Mack Brown kept vince on the bench in favor of Chance Effing Mock after Vince had already proven his skill on the field. He's like Jerry Jones actually being a coach rather than pulling his coach's strings.

    When you have as much talent and the world class resources Chizik and Mack Brown have, you should be a 1-2 loss team at most. Consistently. If you lose more than that, you aren't a good coach and you lose to teams like Ole Miss and Iowa.
     
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  11. adsmith4

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    +1. I don't even need to respond because you hit the nail on the head.
     
  12. Ambulance Chaser

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    Well in Coker's defense, the horrendous PI call cost Miami the game at the end. I've always wondered if that ref had money on Ohio State.
     
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    Drives my Longhorn wife nuts, but I've said for years that the only reason UT won that national title was Vince Young. Mack Brown didn't do jack shit for it. Young forced the team to win. Brown just coaches not to lose, and unless you've got amazing, next level type players, that's just gonna make you 10-2 and a favorite to win the Independence Bowl. Brown consistently had the best talent and top level recruiting classes when he was at UNC, yet he never once won the ACC. And that was back in the days when it was a 9 member basketball oriented conference...
     
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    Give Mack some credit. He has produced a lot of good NFL players out of Texas. It's just that his highest profile player, VY, turned out to be a mental midget. A lot of his other players have had solid pro careers compared to where they were drafted. Saban has had his share of washouts with Mark Ingram looking to be his biggest one. It's just none have been as big as Vince.
     
  15. adsmith4

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    The more I watch ESPN the more I realize they are just groupies. They were all over West Virginia and Geno Smith's dick and now that they have lost it's like they are irrelevant. They are now slobbing all over Marcus Mariota and Oregon.
     
  16. ChicagoRon

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    The timing was bad - the call was not that awful... and there were a ton of other bad calls. Games rarely come down to just one play... there were more than 60 other minutes of football during which the refs gave a few to the U. Just seems more obvious when it happens on a play that could be the last one of the game.
     
  17. RedLantern

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    They're just following story lines.
     
  18. FLMountainMan

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    FTFY
     
  19. RedLantern

    RedLantern Senior member

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    ^ how is giving a team/player which is undefeated and putting up ungodly numbers a lot of press creating a story line? Is it only a legit storyline if the team has a storied history?
     
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  20. MrG

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    Whether one believes there's a bias at ESPN or not, it's pretty rich to see an SEC fan, especially an Alabama fan, complaining about it.
     
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