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Offensively Bold Tailored Clothing

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Manton, Mar 31, 2007.

  1. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    Excuse me but did you and Manton both go to a school that specialized in teaching its students to be rude and disrespectful? This might just be a message board to you but from my perspective it is one that is based on gentlemen's principals and a code of professionalism. Even when I was in public school in South Philly I didn't encounter such unmannerly and abrasive conduct as you have just exhibited.

    Gentlemen don't let gentlemen post drunk.
     
  3. tutee

    tutee Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    or, How to Get Your A$$ Canned by Just Showing Up

    We have considered Conservative Business Dress. Now it is time to consider the opposite.


    I think you can have your ass-canned A LOT faster if you wore that light blue minnis-chalkstripe suit with fashionable accessories. Presonally, I would like to see the reaction to that one.

    in addition....you can always wear the good ol' semi-formal garb for some ultra swift ass-whopping...
     
  4. Huntsman

    Huntsman Senior member

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    Yes, they're the ones who told you not to eat the paste.

    Look, everyone here knows the baseline Manton. The affected Manton of the last two posts on what and what not to wear is just that, an affect, which most of the longer standing members appreciate and enjoy.

    You have somehow become, and doggedly continued as, the straight man.

    So, to answer one of your next questions, let me tell you that

    OK, you're a cab.



    Wait, does this post indicate I'm the only one who thinks there is only argument of one?
     
  5. summej2

    summej2 Senior member

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    Tell me what you have, and I'll tell you what to wear.

    This would be a scary prospect...
     
  6. LabelKing

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    That would indeed be a fine addition to OBTC, but the shirt collar in question is too spread. But everyone should make a note to try that.

    Just copy the outfits of Sebastian Flyte and we're done.
     
  7. bpilgrim

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    Manton, these post have been awesome!! [​IMG]

    As a newbie, the candor is much appreciated. I sincerely nominate them for the Hall of Fame!

    I think that a posts going in the other direction would be equally as enlightening and entertaining. Such as what UCBD and CBD elements should be avoided at all costs to keep from looking anal retentive at purely social occasions (i.e. - weddings).
     
  8. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The collar is too spread

    I'm glad to see you admit that your fancy spread collar is, in fact, fruity.
     
  9. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I'm glad to see you admit that your fancy spread collar is, in fact, fruity.

    You are a clown. Pay attention to which thread you're posting in. I've said from the beginning that the collar in THIS THREAD is too spread to be CBD. It was the collar in the OTHER THREAD that I denied was too spread to be CBD.
     
  10. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You are a clown. Pay attention to which thread you're posting in. I've said from the beginning that the collar in THIS THREAD is too spread to be CBD. It was the collar in the OTHER THREAD that I denied was too spread to be CBD.

    A fruity spread collar is a fruity spread collar, no matter which thread it's in, Mr. Flutter. Or shall I call you Sir Fopling?
     
  11. Alias

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    I'm surprised no one posted any of FNB's stuff. It's offensively bold enough.
     
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    [​IMG] No cufflinks?! Certainly they're a must.
     
  13. Connemara

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    [​IMG]


    rofl.
     
  14. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Manton, I offer for your comment and expert scoring:

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    This is what our friends in the military calll a target rich enviornment.

    I think, in all honesty, that it requires a new acronym. Remember that line in Schindler's List when Schindler and Stern are talking, and Schindler says that the Germans have promised some of his people "special treatment," and Stern says, "Given the memos coming out of Berlin, I hope you got that wrong" or something like that (because "special treatment" was a Nazi euphemism for the gas chamber), and Schindler gets angry and says "Preferential treatment. Do we have to invent a whole new language?" And Stern says "I think so."

    Well, to compare light things to grave, sometimes it is necessary to invent a whole new language. Neither OBTC nor BBTC fits this ... this ... See? Words fail me. We have to invent a whole new language.

    Let's call this style, "Plant Bomb in Closet, Scatter Clothes Throughout Room, Collect What is Intact Enough to Be Worn, Get Dressed in Bomb-Shattered Pitch Dark Adjacent Bathroom." Or, PBCSCTRCWIEBWGDBSPBAB for short.

    There is no point in discussing the deviations from CBD here; those should be obvious enough even to the K-man. However, it might be useful to distinguish PBCSCTRCWIEBWGDBSPBAB from OBTC. The ignorant and the stupid will no doubt tend to mix them up.

    First and foremost, I have to trot out that old sawhorse, "The Rules." OBTC is not about outrageously flouting the major rules. The OBTC dresser piles up misdemeanor violations, to be sure, and perhaps throws in one or two low grade felonies. But here we see several first degree felonies, I would even say up to and including first degree murder, except it seems impossible to believe that this outfit could have been premedidated.

    So we have 1) Suit trousers worn with jacket of indeterminate provenance (could be from a suit, but could be odd); 2) Striped trousers worn with non-formal day wear; 3) Ground of trouses is black; 4) Spacing of stripes too wide for scale of the wearer; 5) Color of jacket fine for summer in Capri, maybe, but March in Manhattan? 6) Showing an offensive amount of pocket square.

    But the real crime here is the shirt and tie combination. The shirt is offensive in and of itself; the shirt and tie are ill chosen together; and the combination riots against the jacket and trousers. You'd think a trained shirtmaker would have better instincts for this sort of thing.

    Shirt: black ground with white dots. NOT a dress fabric; not CBD, not OBTC, not to be worn with a tie, ever. Perhaps it is an old shirt from the wearer's days as the newsletter editor for Studio 54. If so, he should be commended for keeping his shape so consistent since the disco era.

    Tie: a fine silver and black Charvet. Wearing that in a business or informal social context would be OBTC. Wearing it with that shirt is just a crime.

    Together: Worse than a disorienting optical illusion. Positively blinding.

    The combination with that jacket: a great example of the difficulty of pairing black anything with color, and why black has generally been reserved for black and white formal wear. The black just dials up the intensity of the color of the jacket. There is nothing inherently wrong with that color (though, as noted, its appropriatness in the context of the event is questionable). But such a vivid color needs muted accessories: a pale pink, blue, or cream shirt and a CBD tie.

    Finally, I congratulate the wearer on being the first known person to disprove the maxim that brown suede shoes go with everything.
     
  15. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think you can have your ass-canned A LOT faster if you wore that light blue minnis-chalkstripe suit with fashionable accessories.

    It's not that light; more of a postman's blue. Lighter than navy to be sure, but darker and more muted than avion blue. The stripes are bold, but they're still stripes. A double windowpane is inherently bolder than any stripe.

    Too warm to wear. The weather has turned. It's hibernating until fall.
     
  16. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    [​IMG] No cufflinks?! Certainly they're a must.
    What, in the original photo? There are cufflinks, you just can't see them.
     
  17. Con Biz Dresser

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    With all due respect Manton I feel you are stepping over the line with your degrading comments about what the man in this photo is wearing. Who are you to humiliate a stranger on any message board let alone one that is supposed to represent the better aspects of society and which I always assumed was populated with gentleman who knew the definition of professionalism? For all you know this man could have some sort of disability; how would you feel then to make fun of what he is wearing in such a mean spirited manner? Considering the state of your suits in the photos you have posted, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if your closet looked as if a bomb was dropped in it.
     
  18. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I wouldn’t be all that surprised if your closet looked as if a bomb was dropped in it.

    Ordinance would explain the rumpled shoulders.

    K-man, these tutorials are meant to help people learn. I did not think my commentary was nearly so harsh as you made it out to be. But in any case, caustic language is sometimes necessary to get across important truths, and to warn the young away from real danger. Sugar-coating often just gets misunderstood. As you yourself note, the outfit in question is a disaster. We could let it just speak for itself. But I think I am doing a real service by going into detail. Someone who loves CBD as much as you claim to should appreciate any attempt to keep people on the straight and narrow.

    BTW, this:

    For all you know this man could have some sort of disability

    is a stroke of genius. You may be better than Newhart.
     
  19. countdemoney

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    It's not shown in the photo, but is the gentlemen in the blue jacket wearing single link cuffs?
     
  20. LARon

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    Who are you to humiliate a stranger on any message board . . . . For all you know this man could have some sort of disability; how would you feel then to make fun of what he is wearing in such a mean spirited manner?

    CBD, I empathize with your concern, however, there's been no critique of the "person." Manton's comments focus solely on the clothes.

    You're right that we don't know the person's circumstance; but nor do we need to. His condition/circumstance simply doesn't matter. The commentary is intended to help people understand what elements of dress can work against them in a business environment. Its a lesson you can either try to benefit from -- if taken in the spirit intended -- or turn away from.

    In my short time here, Manton's posts have always been lucid, instructive and held (in my estimation) in high regard. His book reaffirms this. I have not known him to be a mean spirited person, and don't believe his comments here suggest otherwise.
     

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