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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Jul 27, 2012.

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  1. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    that's closer to what I would recommend but I don't love it for a lot of reaons.
     
  2. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    1. If you don't love your first try, live with it anyway. There is always tomorrow.
     
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  3. NORE

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    This overly analytical thinking is what makes you guys & boring. Live a little.*

    * I agree with the bold part(s).
     
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  4. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yeah okay.
     
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    Yikes! Even the late Duke erred.
     
  6. R.O. Thornhill

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    SF seems to be back on song. Here are mine

    1. Only wear white shirts to weddings / funerals (exception is white linen when on hols)
    2. Only white linen pocket-squares with suits
    3. No belts with suits, only side adjusters
    4. Cuffs on all formal trousers (not moleskin / cords)
    5. Single breasted suits are either 1 button (if English) or 3-roll-2 (if Italian)
    6. Always black captoes with navy suits. Have tried every shade of brown under the sun - just don't like it
    7. Never use the 'keeper' on your tie
    8. FIH is the only tie knot a man needs
    9. With suits, socks always match trousers. Can't abide 'fun' socks with suits
    10. None of my shirts are made with button-down collar (though I do occasionally go for a capri collar on linen shirts)
    11. French cuffs on all formal shirts, 2-button cuff for linen, linen/cotton, tattersall
    12. Belt and shoes should match approximately, never perfectly

    R-O-T
     
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  7. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    R.O., #7 is gold. I keep to it myself.

    Not that I can ever tell if someone has their back blade in the keeper. It just strikes me as fussy in the worst sort of way.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    +1. My custom ties I get without a keeper if I remember to ask for it.
     
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    That's being fussy in the worst sort of way??
     
  10. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yes.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I concur.
     
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  12. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I admit, I do this too. I didn't use to. I have been influenced by SF.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    About a year and a half ago I stopped using collar stays and tie clips as well. I feel so free and clean.
     
  14. Bounder

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    Indeed we do. I have argued in the past that dressing, as practiced by some people on SF, is a legitimate art form. People like Manton and Vox have even gone some way toward developing a theoretical basis for it.


    This is, of course, pretentious nonsense.

    Foo, you are like an opera singer who has perfected a single aria and can sing it better than anyone else in the world. But you refuse to even try and learn anything else and simply belt out La donna e mobile even if you are suppose to be appearing in Sweeney Todd. I suppose there is a real risk in this, in that you risk eventually being perceived as an eccentric, one-trick pony. But there is no real reward. What there is is a maddening waste of potential and talent.

    Manton's genius is that, while adhering to the principles of CBD, he is consistently able to surprise and startle. He has an ability to make seemingly small changes that transform the boring into the elegant. He also dresses "adaptably" for want of a better word. While he is almost always true to the tenets of CBD -- there was that extremely unfortunate incident with that orange-striped shirt -- he is able to adapt those tenets to the situation at hand. Manton is not going to go to a garden party looking like he'd rather be at the office. But he's certainly not going to look like he'd rather be at the used car lot, either.


    Given the restrictions of FooBD, I am having trouble parsing this statement.



    This is true as far as it goes but no further. First, the fact that something "works" does not mean that it is appropriate. For example, A navy blue suit goes great with a wedding tie, but you wouldn't wear that combination to a funeral. Less obviously, but more importantly, you should be able to adapt your wardrobe to the season, the weather, what business/social activities you have that day and even your mood. This is not consonant with owning a single pair of shoes, not matter how great that pair may be.

    This is exactly what you do yourself. A few other posters have this knack but very few manage to achieve such notable results with the same degree of elegant understatement.


    You are too kind. :embar:
     
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  15. mafoofan

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    First of all, you can say whatever you like about how I dress, but to say I have not developed a theoretical basis for it means to me that you haven't been paying any attention to anything I've ever said. That's perfectly okay, but then you should probably withhold judgment of how I think about things.

    Second, when Manton "startles" you with something, he will be the first to tell you he f*cked up.

    Third, your accusation that I only do one thing well is absurd when considering context. Manton does not post photos of himself dressed to go grocery shopping, watch a baseball game, or take his kids to the movies. Neither do I. Virtually everything posted here by anybody falls into a relatively narrow band: what we look like when we put the most into it. Within that scope, I don't see myself dressing in a fashion any more singular than anybody else--certainly not those I care to be compared to.

    Anyway, that's the last I'm going to comment on your abstract criticisms. I have posted too many photos of myself to count and a half dozen in the past 24 hours. If you have something worth saying, why not speak to something real?
     
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    Well, Foo, I never said that you don't have reasons for what you do. I have made the point that you do in this very thread. It just that some of them are very obviously wrong since they have resulted in a sort of sartorial reductio ad absurdum. Manton and Vox, however, are laying the basis for real artistic expression.

    On the contrary. You apparently haven't been following some of his threads as closely as you think. When I say "startle" I don't mean the what-the-hell-is-that kind. Rather, I mean the how-did-he-do-that variety. I often look at some of Manton's pics thinking, "When I dress that way, it's OK but a bit staid. When he dresses that way, it hums like a tuning fork. What exactly has he done here that I'm not doing?"

    That you don't see it is part of the essential tragedy.
     
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    Manton, save us. Use your powers for good.
     
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    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I thought about modding this, but it is not my thread and I will only delete obvious stuff in someone else's thread. This may seem rancorous, but it is a real discussion and kind of on-topic.
     
  20. mafoofan

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    Well, now I want to see exactly how full of it he is.
     

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