non collapsing collars

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Traditionalway, Nov 29, 2011.

  1. Traditionalway

    Traditionalway Member

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    I am lookng for a shirt to wear without a jacket or tie where the collar retains both its shape and doesn't collapse. (No button downs please)

    Most shirts in my closet start off well, but after a couple of months tend to start to limp and bend strange. i wash by hand at home and hand press. Also very particular about using the stays correctly. So, i don't think it's me.

    I have a couple from Boss, Paul Smith, Zegna and Eton (no removeable stays). All are ok with a sweater or jacket, but on their own start looking tired quickly.

    I fit most off the rack well, but dont mind custom if there is a maker who can make such a collar.

    I've got a budget of $150

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. edmorel

    edmorel Quality Seller!! Dubiously Honored

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    Well, the buttondowns that you don't want to hear about are your best bet. You'll get a nice roll to your collar, it will look appropriately dress casual and you can unbuttoned the shirt as low as you want :lookaround: I don't wear non-BD's without ties for the reason you mention, I think it looks bad but many here will disagree. Wearing stiff collarstays will help a bit but the collar collapses because it's not buttoned, you could get a shirt made where the button right below the collar is higher than normal or get a hidden button down collar shirt.
     
  3. bjornb17

    bjornb17 Senior member

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    Perhaps below your price range or maybe not what you're looking for, but CT shirts (the must iron, not the non-iron) hold their shape perfectly. The collars are really rigid.
     
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    Cuttingboard Senior member

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    I've had great results with Thomas Pink and Ledbury and I really like how the english collars stand up.
     
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    black_umbrella Senior member

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    you could also get those magnetic collar stays, but then I feel that you're just trying too hard. In a bad way.
     
  6. bjornb17

    bjornb17 Senior member

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    I used to have a few of those... yes, they collars are very firm, bordering on clunky.
     
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    ezlau Senior member

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    For $150 you could get some used Kiton shirts. I have two Kitons and the collar of those shirt are amazingly stiff and hold themselves up well, even without ironing.
     
  8. Svenn

    Svenn Senior member

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    This is a ongoing problem I've had, I even told my bespoke shirtmaker on sackville street about it and his shirt collars still bend, warp, and don't hold up properly when the collar's open without a tie. Hell even with a tie the collar points still don't rest on the shirt below, cantilevered up in the air or whatever. I'm obviously very disappointed since it doesn't seem like this is a particularly challenging engineering problem for clothing makers :facepalm:
     
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    rajesh06 Senior member

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    This is one of Ledbury's key features / marketing points - and they are well within your price range.
     
  10. GBR

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    Have never known a shirt do this. Are they too cheap in construction perhaps?
     
  11. patrickBOOTH

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    I think the key is to not press your chin down towards your chest so much flattening out the collar. Also, try club collars they seem to have less of this problem.
     
  12. GBR

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    Maybe the OP would care to comment on when he notices this - if it is when he looks in a mirror this could well be the case.
     
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    Could try using laundry starch to stiffen the collar up.
     
  14. tobiasj

    tobiasj Senior member

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    I don't understand the problem, just get any shirt with removable collar stays. Then if you really want them stiff, use metal stays, hell use diamond if you really want.

    For shirts that you already own, could a tailor not just sew in some stays for you? I've never tried this but it must be possible.
     

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