nogushi or MVDR?

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  1. designprofessor

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    Maybe. I have two louis XV cabriolets from grandma's appartment I have never used. With a contemporary fabric, they could be interesting.

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    I think that the PK22 is one of the most exquisite chairs ever produced. They are readily available here but frighteningly expensive. I especially like it in the wicker. If I were you I would go for those and skimp on price with the coffee table. Just my .02.
    They are really too expensive. With the money I save, I will get a Jean ProuvÃ[​IMG] potence lamp with the table [​IMG]

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    We have a post 1983 Herman-Miller Noguchi and its been great---I wanted a less iconic table but my wife prefered it so much more than anything else that we went for it in the end. (We bought it used as a unwanted wedding gift for much less than retail.)

    Bill Stumpf, former president of Herman-Miller, once said that a Noguchi would work in any context. I think he's right. That said, we have a modern home and so it's matched with a pair of vintage Knoll parallel bar chairs in Spinneybeck leather, Eames LCWs in black, low woven wicker and metal chairs of no provenance, a vintage Knoll 119 credenza in walnut and white laquer, a nakashima side chair, a hobbyist-made 1930's deco side table in mahogony and zebra wood from a garage sale, and a vintage Carlo Hauner credenza for Forma, Brazil in a light rosewood that I forget the name of (Caviona?).

    So were sort of time-period consistent, but the adjoing dining room has a turn-of-the-century oak farm table, 1980's high-back Tonon chairs, and a 1970's Interlubke wall unit.

    We like it and guests find it comfortable in a way that similary nice furniture in, e.g., an Hepplewhite style might not be (i.e., they're not afraid to sit down since it doesn't look like their mothers living room).
     


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    itsstillmatt The Liberator Dubiously Honored

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    They are really too expensive. With the money I save, I will get a Jean ProuvÃ[​IMG] potence lamp with the table [​IMG]

    !luc


    The French have a way with lighting. I love the Potence, and also the Serge Moulle lighting fixtures. It sounds like you are looking at wonderful pieces. Enjoy the process.
     


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    Maybe. I have two louis XV cabriolets from grandma's appartment I have never used. With a contemporary fabric, they could be interesting. !luc
    I lke the idea very much, but then I think I'd prefer the even greater contrast, and go with the rococo chairs and the Mies table. Some subdued Fornasetti-like fabrics could be good on the chairs, I suppose.
     


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    I lke the idea very much, but then I think I'd prefer the even greater contrast, and go with the rococo chairs and the Mies table.

    Some subdued Fornasetti-like fabrics could be good on the chairs, I suppose.

    Yes, the idea is somehow interesting, but it's hard to take a shot in the dark, especially at this price. I'll see.

    !luc
     


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    george nelson coconut chair: [​IMG]
     


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    tiger02 Militarist

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    LS, I've been scouring this design24 site and it is seriously testing my self control. Do you have any similar sites for other periods or aesthetics? I'm amazed that their stuff is generally half of what DWR charges.

    Thanks
    Tom

    Try this Henry van der Velde chair:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ke/Kessler.jpg

    Or the Hoffmann "Kubus" series:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...fmann_Sofa.jpg

    This place sells knockoffs (unlicensed, I think): http://www.classic-design24.com/
     


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    LS, I've been scouring this design24 site and it is seriously testing my self control. Do you have any similar sites for other periods or aesthetics? I'm amazed that their stuff is generally half of what DWR charges. Thanks Tom
    As I said, I think this is all unlicensed production - what may well be termed "fake", as far as the rights still really belong to companies like Cassina, Knoll, Vitra etc. On the other hand, what I've seen of newer knockoffs are very often well made, though. What periods or aesthetics were you thinking of? Genuine antiques can often be cheaper than most people think.
     


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    tiger02 Militarist

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    As I said, I think this is all unlicensed production - what may well be termed "fake", as far as the rights still really belong to companies like Cassina, Knoll, Vitra etc. On the other hand, what I've seen of newer knockoffs are very often well made, though.

    What periods or aesthetics were you thinking of?

    Genuine antiques can often be cheaper than most people think.

    I wish I knew what I were looking for...

    How much cheaper than people think? And requiring how much extra effort to locate? Where would be a good place to begin? For instance, I really dig this chair as a whimsical accent:

    [​IMG]

    edit: various other modes I think I like are Art Deco, traditional SE Asian/S Pacific, and more modern P Starke/Branchini type aesthetics. Is that coherent at all? I'm basically starting from scratch; I have a nylon folding chair as the second easy chair in my living room. [​IMG]
     


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    Take time to do your homework. Read up and try before you buy. If there is a place to actually sit in some of these first, do so. I'm not one to knock the great designs of the 20th century, but some are not user friendly if you're planning to watch a long movie in them. Some I thought looked great and were just flat out uncomfortable.

    Thumb through ElleDecor, Domino, Wallpaper etc. All those magazines will have reatil or ordering options. Also, meet up with a local interior designer, they will definately know some shortcuts and options.

    As far as the quality goes, I've owned several knock offs and they have proved durable.
     


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    haven't sat in one, but i imagine this as being one of the examples of the above-described phenomenon:

    [​IMG]
    Gerrit Rietveld's Rood-Bauwe Stoel. You can even get plans for it and build it yourself.
     


  14. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    Regarding knockoffs, licensing doesn't work the same in italy & spain vs the rest of the (civilized) world. It has to do with the intellectual property of plans (which are public domain by now for most bauhaus stuff) or something like that. Someone well versed in the subject cold chime in and tell us about it.
    Anyway, you have to be careful when picking up these "fakes" (by french laws at least) but you should know most of the stuff sold by cassina is actually made by these small industries in italy. So, if you know who is making these pieces and can buy direct, you have the same quality as cassina's for half the price, minus the little authenticity stamp hidden under the arm of the chair [​IMG]
    Sometime, it's even better to buy direct from them for Knoll owned designs, because Knoll is really shit quality...

    !luc
     


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    So, today I was waiting in some private banking lounge, and they had one noguchi coffee table. Being alone, I had ample time to tinker with the product, and while truly a wonderful piece, I found it not to be stable enough especially with a young child in the apartment. It truly saddens me as this is a wonderful piece of design. [​IMG] I have ordered the cyclone dining table instead which I will furnish with eames red DSR chairs. !luc
     


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