1. And... we're back. You'll notice that all of your images are back as well, as are our beloved emoticons, including the infamous :foo: We have also worked with our server folks and developers to fix the issues that were slowing down the site.

    There is still work to be done - the images in existing sigs are not yet linked, for example, and we are working on a way to get the images to load faster - which will improve the performance of the site, especially on the pages with a ton of images, and we will continue to work diligently on that and keep you updated.

    Cheers,

    Fok on behalf of the entire Styleforum team
    Dismiss Notice

No wonder there are so many Ralph Lauren Polo fake shirts....

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Schweino, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. JohnGalt

    JohnGalt Senior member

    Messages:
    4,880
    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Location:
    Ouray, CO
    Didn't read the whole threak, but ralphlauren.com isn't run by Ralph Lauren, Inc...they contract it out
     
  2. Blackhood

    Blackhood Senior member

    Messages:
    2,904
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Location:
    Cambridge, UK
    I'm actually surprised by the reactions in this thread.

    This is clearly an issue that RL should be addressing (or at least paying lip service to addressing) and as some of the few people left who appreciate genuine quality are we not the bunch who might give a shit?

    It may be a fact of life now, but surely Rl should at the very least say "Thank you for bringing this to attention, we will investigate the matter" instead of firing back a generic message?
     
  3. Joenobody0

    Joenobody0 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,401
    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2010
    
    Doing the right thing isn't buying items you believe to be knock offs, then being happy with your purchase because it was cheap when you figure out that it really was fake.
     
  4. Blackhood

    Blackhood Senior member

    Messages:
    2,904
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Location:
    Cambridge, UK
    No, it is:

    Complain to the seller - check
    Confirm the fraud - check
    Inform the victims - check
    Put it down to experience - check


    What the fuck else is he supposed to do? If you'd like a picture of him howling at the moon in rage then you may be expecting too much from the internet.
     
  5. idfnl

    idfnl Senior member

    Messages:
    14,340
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Location:
    VA
    

    Not buy from asia
     
  6. Schweino

    Schweino Senior member

    Messages:
    507
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2008
    Location:
    Netherlands
    You are twisting words. Where have i stated that I believed it was a knock off before I bought it? I wrote I was suspicious about it because of the seller's location (Taiwan). When I enquired about the shirt the seller claimed it to be authentic and identified herself as a genuine RL sales manager. I also wrote that I am happy with the shirt's fit and quality, but do not like the fact it is a fake while being sold as an original. I also did not write that I am happy with my purchase because it was cheap. As stated before: I am not happy with the overall purchase experience because I received a fake which was advertised as genuine, but I am happy with the shirt itself. By the way: if I see that genuine shirts like this can be bought for $20, my purchase wasn't cheap since I paid more than double that amount. So: I am happy with the shirt itself because it fits well, but am unhappy about being scammed and having paid a fraudster.
    Because?
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2011
  7. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

    Messages:
    4,276
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Location:
    China, Mongolia and UK
  8. connor09

    connor09 Senior member

    Messages:
    257
    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2011
    Location:
    London
    the clothing industry outsource their manufacturing line mostly in asia, so just because a garment is made there doesn't mean it's fake
     
  9. tullytra

    tullytra Senior member

    Messages:
    600
    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    

    This, plus the fact that not everyone will notice a fake. I had a professor go over this last year in a marketing course. Take Wayfarers for instance. The style is easily recognizable, and people associate Wayfarers with Ray-Ban. When someone sees a pair of fake Wayfarers they usually don't notice that it's missing the Ray-Ban logo on the lens or frame. All they do is see another pair of Wayfarers and think, "Hey, I'd like to have a pair of those." The fakes do help to promote the real brand. It isn't worth it for Ray-Ban to crack down on fakes being sold all over when, like others have said in this thread, the people who are buying the fakes aren't the target customers and won't pay for the real thing.
     
  10. sns23

    sns23 Senior member

    Messages:
    460
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    If you want RL polo, go to Macy's, not ebay.
     
  11. Schweino

    Schweino Senior member

    Messages:
    507
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2008
    Location:
    Netherlands
    As I wrote before: I don't live in the USA and a RL Polo shirt is about $115 here
     
  12. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

    Messages:
    4,276
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Location:
    China, Mongolia and UK
    

    Neither do I, RL pony logo polo shirts are about 50 yuan (RMB) here, think that's about $8 (USD), and one can usually haggle the price down even more.
     
  13. Eason

    Eason Senior member

    Messages:
    14,669
    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Location:
    Bangkok
    

    Yeah, no Taiwanese would be caught dead with a mainland Chinese account/anything.
     
    1 person likes this.
  14. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

    Messages:
    4,276
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Location:
    China, Mongolia and UK
    

    Similar in HK isn't it? No self respecting Hongkonger would be caught dead using anything like 163.com, QQ, Baidu, or anything ending in .cn?
     
  15. Eason

    Eason Senior member

    Messages:
    14,669
    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Location:
    Bangkok
    Based on the Taiwanese I know, they're actually ambivalent about their less cultured cousins compared to HK'ers, who view mainlanders and the Chinese government with nothing short of contempt- a fact I derive immense pleasure from.
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2011
  16. RRL CLOTHING

    RRL CLOTHING Senior member

    Messages:
    1,026
    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    RL licenses their trademarks to other countries. those countries manufacture it themselves. if you want 1st quality polo go to an outlet store in the USA, you can get polo shirts for $12 on clearance.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2011
  17. stylemeup

    stylemeup Senior member

    Messages:
    365
    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    

    Neither of those has been done, has it?

    With what information has the alleged fraud been confirmed as fraud?

    Stating it is fraud for sure based on speculation may be misinforming people who are not actually victims, and defaming the seller.


    I disagree. I've learned from sf when I first joined that eBAY is one of the best places in the world to purchase high quality garments at cheap prices. I've found over the years that that advice has turned out to be accurate. A lot of deals on eBAY are much better than would ever be found anywhere else (except by exceptional circumstances); great deals on eBAY at prices that aren't found elsewhere doesn't necessarily mean that the merchandise is fake.

    Someone who took the advice that you give would likely miss out on a lot of great deals on legitimate merchandise, and waste a lot of money paying retail-like prices for the same authenticity which he would have gotten from cheap goods on eBAY anyway.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2011
  18. CYstyle

    CYstyle Senior member

    Messages:
    1,219
    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2009
    

    Depends when they got to Taiwan. If they arrived earlier and stole the Island from the Natives, or later when Chiang Kai-shek was beaten by the communists and then stole the country from the people who originally stole it from the natives and executed a bunch of the people.

    Also while a lot of manufactoring happens in Taiwan, many of the business owners have their factories in China because it's cheaper.
     
  19. JCLopez

    JCLopez New Member

    Messages:
    2
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2011
    Just my 2 cents...

    RL doesnt have RL factories with 100% RL tailors that get RL employee benefits...they sub-contract their designs to any country that has cheap labor. I'm sure the higher end RLs are made differently (better fabrics, tailors etc), but oxford shirts can be made anywhere.

    These factories within what they call an "economic zone" create these clothes, brand and package them but they absolutely cannot sell those products within their country (they need to export it to another country first before getting it imported back to them for retail (less then a $1 cost to make, and sold for exponentially more to the same people).

    Anyway,,, it is common for getting mistakes on a whole batch...usually they are disposed of or recycle the fabric back for de-coloring and re-use...but more often the clothes with barely noticable mistakes are smuggled out of the factory to be re-sold by street vendors and the "sewers" get a cut, they do this because of the low wages. Most "fakes" are actually made by the same sub-contractor facility that makes the "real" ones, or the ones that passed the QC.

    No business man is going into the fake clothing business when he is up against the whole damn factory of workers with access to the exact specific designs that have no issue selling their work outside of the company.
     
    1 person likes this.
  20. JCLopez

    JCLopez New Member

    Messages:
    2
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2011
    and sorry but LOL to the OP on contacting RL Cust to verify a sales person in taiwan...

    Come on now...seriously you've never worked in a corporate setting before?

    First...Customer Service agents have no access to this stuff (they are mainly there to take payments, upsell if they're good, and note down your complaints to be solved by a supervisor), even if you miraculously got a hold of an HR manager, she will need to get with HR in Taiwan and if she gets it, she will not divulge such information to you even if you're trying to report a fake. So it is actually too much work to verify one shirt, from one caller, asking about one seller, from a foreign country, which might actually be just an authorized retailer whom they have absolutely no control over....in the end after thinking for a few seconds, it's just an absolute waste of time. The innocence is quite amusing.

    Good fakes are not made in a sweat shop you've see on TV, they're done inside their own sub-contractors factory. To an avg consumer, who probably never cared to know things that happen behind the scenes, you thought it you'd be helping RL and cursed them because they didn't acknowledge your report but in actuality they know this already but they are having a tough time finding out which of their thousands of workers behind a sewing machine is smuggling. They didn't ignore you but you were basically preaching to the choir.
     

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by