'No Time To Exercise' Is No Excuse

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  1. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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  2. Thomas

    Thomas Senior member

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    Not enough data mentioned in the write-up to know about the control / experimental group. Too many holes left unaddressed.

    For instance - runners spend a lot of time early in their training cycles developing their aerobic capacity and injury resistance. After a good base is built, then interval training is used to develop speed. If you put the interval training before the base, you get a lot of injured or overtained runners.

    So, where are the experimental and control groups in their training protocols? If the exp group has a good base, then interval training is the logical next step. If the control group consists of couch potatoes, well, they're comparing apples and oranges. Hardly a conclusive write-up
     
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    I partly agree with Thomas. "All out" training for beginners will only invite injuries. This study will most likely benefit those who are already active, but looking to save significant time off their routines. I suspect among those gym rats, many are already familiar with HIIT, a principle similar to if not the very thing they studied.
     
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    whodini Conan OOOOOOO"BRIEN!

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    Thomas, you sound too smart for your own good. Getting a bachelor's in psych. left me a bitter, cynical man when it came to just about anything, news clips about some study without mentioning any of the prior fitness levels of the experimental groups.

    Like with most of these stories, I, too, take them with a miniscule grain of salt.
     
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    If only I could do these exercises at all . . . [​IMG]

    Power by Pavel: A Maxercist One Repetition Airport Workout
    http://www.powerbypavel.com/

    "Here is a very effective, brief, intense exercise
    routine when time is short, energy is low or a
    'shake up' is needed in one's normal routine. It is
    maximal muscle loading using prolonged rep speed.
    This type of non-inertial training is brutal and
    takes a lot of discipline in movement control,
    balance, and breath control. The good thing is that
    it's over fairly quickly and doesn't require another
    set.

    "Starting at the top of the pistol, lower slowly
    while watching the second hand on a clock. I use a
    large wall clock with a second sweep hand that is
    easy to see. As you lower yourself, do not 'ratchet'
    by stopping and starting. Make the decent very slow;
    a smooth flow that takes 30 sec.

    "At the bottom, pause and slowly begin to reverse
    the movement without jerking or lurching. This
    transition should be approximately 5 sec long. Now
    rise back up in the same non-segmented, smooth flow
    in 30 sec.

    "At the top do not completely lockout, but keep the
    knee flexed about 15 degrees. Now begin the decent
    again, smoothly lowering in 30 sec and hold the
    bottom for another few seconds. Sit on the floor and
    unload. Repeat for the other leg.

    "The breathing gets wild and there tends to be a bit
    of a panic when the muscle tension gets painful.
    Control the breathing with smooth nasal breaths and
    slow exhales through the mouth. Learning to breathe
    calmly under extreme muscle tension is very valuable
    to fighters, grapplers in particular.

    "If you have not worked up to a free standing pistol
    yet, you can hold on to a railing or a pole to
    unweigh yourself by aiding with the arms. This will
    also take the balance element out of it and make it
    much easier to master.

    "To complete the workout, apply the same technique
    to the one arm pushup. Very brutal! 30 sec down,
    pause, reverse slowly, 30 sec up, 30 sec down, pause
    at the bottom. That pretty much gets the arms,
    chest, front shoulders and triceps.

    "For the upper body pulling muscles, the lats, the
    rear delts, the biceps, the forearms, and the grip,
    perform a one-arm body weight row. They can be done
    from a suspended rope/chain with a handle or fixed
    rail or bar that is about waist height. Do not allow
    the body to twist on the rows and pull up until the
    thumb touches the chest. You will in all likelihood
    need to bend the legs and keep the feet flat on the
    floor. Use the same 90 sec protocol as before. The
    90 sec row is much tougher than it may appear.

    "This a great quick workout that can be done in
    under 15 minutes almost anywhere. I did this at the
    airport while my plane was delayed. I used the
    family restroom, locked the door and went to work. I
    used the handicapped rail for the one-arm rows. It's
    brief but will kick your butt! You will feel those
    pistols for a day or two afterward."

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm no expert, but I did find that by what is essentially a short burst program, I get pretty good results.

    In my case - sprint like crazy up 100 odd stairs. This is about 2 mins at full exertion, then rest. Then pushups n situps.

    Repeat x 5.

    This yields better results for me in terms of fat building and conditioning than an hour of jogging.
     
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    Not enough data mentioned in the write-up to know about the control / experimental group. Too many holes left unaddressed.

    For instance - runners spend a lot of time early in their training cycles developing their aerobic capacity and injury resistance. After a good base is built, then interval training is used to develop speed. If you put the interval training before the base, you get a lot of injured or overtained runners.

    So, where are the experimental and control groups in their training protocols? If the exp group has a good base, then interval training is the logical next step. If the control group consists of couch potatoes, well, they're comparing apples and oranges. Hardly a conclusive write-up


    Completely agree on all counts. These days, due to time constraints, I am doing a ton of interval training and I only get out for 5-6 mile+ runs a couple of times a week, and even then, I do a mile of sprints at the end. However, I've been running for close to 20 years now, and at one point logged 50+ mile weeks regularly. Plus, I have a light frame, and low body fat. I would emphatically advise against going from zero to interval training, unless you want an excuse not to exercise.
     
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    kinda takes the fun out of exercise. i look forward to that 30 minutes to an hour in the day where i can go for a run, a walk, etc.

    -Jeff
     
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    kinda takes the fun out of exercise. i look forward to that 30 minutes to an hour in the day where i can go for a run, a walk, etc.

    -Jeff


    Au contraire - 30 minutes to an hour a day is plenty and will get you fit. I stay in that time frame during the week, and go a bit over on the weekends, but not by much. If you run 10-minute mile pace, that's 3 miles in 30 minutes, which is decent training volume. If you run one hour a day at 10-minute pace, that's 42 miles a week, which is good volume for anyone who doesn't compete for $$$. Anything in between is not laughed at by anyone who laces them up, BTW.

    The point is this: all-out training for couch potatoes is very strenuous and is likely to lead to injury IF you haven't trained for durability already. Take 10 people off the couch and put them through intervals or stairs and you'll probably have 8 injuries within the week. However...

    I'm no expert, but I did find that by what is essentially a short burst program, I get pretty good results.

    In my case - sprint like crazy up 100 odd stairs. This is about 2 mins at full exertion, then rest. Then pushups n situps.

    Repeat x 5.

    This yields better results for me in terms of fat building and conditioning than an hour of jogging.


    Odds are that you're already active if this isn't causing you problems. OTOH, some people (not THAT many) are just extraordinarily durable (Gerry Lindgren, Dean Karnazes, Pam Reed, Yannis Kourous, Emil Zatopek, etc.) and can handle tons of mileage or intervals without breaking.
     
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    It's the only one I ever need.
     
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    kinda takes the fun out of exercise. i look forward to that 30 minutes to an hour in the day where i can go for a run, a walk, etc.

    -Jeff


    You can get in a good 4-5 miles in half an hour, or do 3.5-4 miles of intervals.
     

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