No Heroes in my back yard!

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  1. Wings_2006

    Wings_2006 Senior member

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    Okay I apologise.. I think you're right that the military family is probably more well-behaved than your average citizen, so I will take back what I said about disrespect, noise, and unruly children. It's not really about the character of the people, but what most concerns me I think is how they will bring several families into this one house and keep the integrity of this house and ultimately the community intact. Are they planning on building a parking lot? Are they planning on building a large, gaudy wheel chair ramp out front? Will they have multiple cars parked out on the street if no parking lot? Will they ensure that the families are held to as high of a standard there as they are here? Who will be running the place? How will they be running the place? Will there be constant supervision of the activities going on there? Etc..

    But I do apologise for demeaning our servicemen's character and integrity. I didn't mean it to sound as bad as it does after I re-read it.

    Claire.

    Claire.
     


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    Nonk Senior member

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    'Claire'

    Perhaps you should have thought of these questions before you compared the use of an existing property to provide accommodation for the families of servicemen and women visiting their seriously injured relatives in a nearby specialist rehabilitation centre with the building of a jail.

    Before you suggested that they would ruin the neighbourhood being members of lower orders and that they should be held on a trailer park reservation instead.

    Your remarks weres so moronic as to be almost unbelievable.
    You disgust me in a way no person on this or any other forum has ever before.

    Quite an achievement, well done.

    I am sure the serving and former miltary members of this forum are delighted to discover the esteem in which we are held and the sort of person we/our colleagues have spilt their blood to protect.
     


  3. Wings_2006

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    I'm going to venture a guess and say that you don't live in a multi-million dollar community. If that is the case, I don't expect you to understand how something as simple as a wheel chair ramp going up along the front of a property can really lower property values. If you think I'm an elitist, and with that I'm crass and bigoted, well so be it. The simple fact is..... these things do have an impact on housing values. One doesn't buy a million dollar home simply so that later a charity can come in, build whatever they want, turn the place into a motel (because essential that's what it's going to be) and expect the residents to comply and watch their housing prices drop simply because it's for a charitable cause. And you have to remember that most English don't even agree with the war or even like Americans, especially the higher class of England. You have to try to look at it from their perspective, but if you can't, you can't. There's nothing more to be said.

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    Ahh since it's for a charitable cause, I'm wondering if they can claim the depreciated value of their homes as charity contributions and receive a tax break.. That'd be something to look into.

    Claire
     


  5. Nonk

    Nonk Senior member

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    I'm going to venture a guess and say that you don't live in a multi-million dollar community. If that is the case, I don't expect you to understand how something as simple as a wheel chair ramp going up along the front of a property can really lower property values. If you think I'm an elitist, and with that I'm crass and bigoted, well so be it. The simple fact is..... these things do have an impact on housing values. One doesn't buy a million dollar home simply so that later a charity can come in, build whatever they want, turn the place into a motel (because essential that's what it's going to be) and expect the residents to comply and watch their housing prices drop simply because it's for a charitable cause. And you have to remember that most English don't even agree with the war or even like Americans, especially the higher class of England. You have to try to look at it from their perspective, but if you can't, you can't. There's nothing more to be said.

    Claire



    Just when I think it can't get any worse.


    I have passed on your objections to the people co-ordinating the response.

    Maybe they will appreciate your insights into the military, UK society and property more than I did.

    I doubt it though.
     


  6. redcaimen

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    Okay I apologise.. I think you're right that the military family is probably more well-behaved than your average citizen, so I will take back what I said about disrespect, noise, and unruly children. It's not really about the character of the people, but what most concerns me I think is how they will bring several families into this one house and keep the integrity of this house and ultimately the community intact. Are they planning on building a parking lot? Are they planning on building a large, gaudy wheel chair ramp out front? Will they have multiple cars parked out on the street if no parking lot? Will they ensure that the families are held to as high of a standard there as they are here? Who will be running the place? How will they be running the place? Will there be constant supervision of the activities going on there? Etc..

    But I do apologise for demeaning our servicemen's character and integrity. I didn't mean it to sound as bad as it does after I re-read it.

    Claire.

    Claire.


    I doubt the fearful people who signed this petition have anything to worry about. I am not familiar with the British upper middle class but Im pretty darned familiar with their counterparts in Southern California. I dont know what kind of "high standard" these people are held to in Jolly Old England but here in the Southland the children of the affluent are frequently pampered and spoiled monstrosities with little regard for anything but their own desires. That these people would mature into the kind of selfish oafs who would be so solipsistic that they would be more concerned with the temporary dip in neighborhood housing prices than in helping, however minimally, their own country's severely wounded veterans wouldnt come as that much of a surprise.

    As a youth I have lived on military bases and in upper middle class enclaves. You are safer in military housing. If you are going to be worried about something, worry about the house painters you have left unattended in the front room or the next door neighbors teenager with a penchant for coke and jagermiester who just got a porsche and a drivers license for his 16th birthday .
     


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    Temporary housing dip? Once it dips, lower income people come in and start buying the properties and that's when the place starts to really go downhill. That's when the upper class moves out and the lower class moves in. Two years of a "temporary dip" could destroy the community.

    Claire
     


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    Claire, you do realise that you could quite easliy become the most hated person on the internet with your remarks?
     


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    Okay for the sake of being liked, let me just agree with everyone on this forum and the internet altogether.

    As if I care if people don't like me for having an opinion. An opinion that is shared by those in the community you posted about. I'm not coming out of nowhere with this. It's already been voiced, I'm simply seconding their concerns.

    Claire
     


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    Okay for the sake of being liked, let me just agree with everyone on this forum and the internet altogether.

    As if I care if people don't like me for having an opinion. An opinion that is shared by those in the community you posted about. I'm not coming out of nowhere with this. It's already been voiced, I'm simply seconding their concerns.

    Claire


    Claire, the residents of Grays Lane are possibly the most loathed people in the entire UK right now, and even they did not stoop as low as you did.

    This has not been a pleasant insight into your character.
     


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    Temporary housing dip? Once it dips, lower income people come in and start buying the properties and that's when the place starts to really go downhill. That's when the upper class moves out and the lower class moves in. Two years of a "temporary dip" could destroy the community.

    Claire


    Ha. This is ridiculous! Upper middle class communities dont melt down like that. You have to be a troll.
     


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    This is the exact reason why the classes can't mix.
     


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    Here is a link giving the details of one of the undermensch who would lower the tone of the neighbourhood and who 'Claire' feels should be made more comfortable by having his family housed in a trailer park when they visit him.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Norton_(GC)

    Unfortunately he would not actually be able to get into the trailer, as 'Claire' has pointed out that wheelchair ramps are unsightly and may affect property values.
     


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    Now you're trying to bait me.. I'm not going to argue this. I've already expressed my opinion.
     


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    This is the exact reason why the classes can't mix.

    One place where the classes and the races mix to an extent they do nowhere else is the military. Patton was from one of the wealthiest, socially prominent families in southern california. Ike was a farmboy. I spent much of my early childhood overseas on military bases. The biggest shock I got when returning to the states was the racial acrimony. It was like night and day. You need to get out more.
     


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