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Nissan LEAF

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Connemara, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. Connemara

    Connemara Senior member

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    A few people I know have been on the waiting list for the Chevy Volt, and all are disappointed in the car's final specs. Not fully electric, etc. It seems like the Nissan LEAF is the next big electric car project. There's no gasoline involved and allegedly the starting MSRP will be around $25K (I think the Volt is $40k).

    Is anyone on the list? Any news on the LEAF? I'm intrigued.
     
  2. Logan

    Logan Senior member

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    I sat in a Volt at the auto show the other day. I didn't like it at all. Seemed kinda cheap on the inside. They had a leaf there but I couldn't sit in it. But electric vehicles aren't really practical, waiting all night to 'fuel up' doesn't make sence. Plus batteries are dirty as hell.
     
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    imageWIS Senior member

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    I sat in a Volt at the auto show the other day. I didn't like it at all. Seemed kinda cheap on the inside. They had a leaf there but I couldn't sit in it. But electric vehicles aren't really practical, waiting all night to 'fuel up' doesn't make sence. Plus batteries are dirty as hell.
    Yeah, because oil is so clean: [​IMG]
     
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    no battery chargers at your work's parking lot?
     
  5. shibbel

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    huh?
    That $25K number is after a tax break iirc.
     
  6. Baron

    Baron Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    are disappointed in the car's final specs. Not fully electric, etc.

    The only think I don't like about the Volt is the price. I wouldn't want an all electric car with no on the road refueling options. You can be fully electric with the Volt if you drive it like you'd drive the Leaf. The Volt is also more attractive and more powerful.
     
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    sinnedk Senior member

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    Here is the thing, volt/leaf are going to be for the everyday consumer, if you want a luxury electric car then you go for the Tesla S link http://www.teslamotors.com/models/gallery it has a fully touch screen dashboard, looks very slick
     
  8. Dragon

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    Yeah, because oil is so clean:

    [​IMG]


    well it's not like the batteries are powered by solar or anything like that, so that bird is still f*cked.
     
  9. Harold falcon

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    Yeah, because oil is so clean:

    [​IMG]


    Where do you think the electricity comes from?

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Pilot

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    well it's not like the batteries are powered by solar or anything like that, so that bird is still f*cked.

    Where do you think the electricity comes from?

    [​IMG]


    Bingo! electric cars are not the solution to the short or long term problem.

    I think it is going to have to come down to solar power. I've read that if we could harness the suns energy for 1 day we could power every car in the world for a year. which seems kind of crazy
     
  11. Blackhood

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    The thing is though, once the world is dependent on electricity the oil firms will have no choice but to invest in new ways to harvest it.

    At this stage no one gives a fuck about electricity because its all about light bulbs and TVs.
     
  12. Ambulance Chaser

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    The only think I don't like about the Volt is the price. I wouldn't want an all electric car with no on the road refueling options. You can be fully electric with the Volt if you drive it like you'd drive the Leaf. The Volt is also more attractive and more powerful.
    Yep. HUGE design flaw in the Leaf.
     
  13. ComboOrgan

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    Where do you think the electricity comes from?
    yeah, it's a two step problem 1. power cars with electricity 2. switch most electrical generation to nuclear Electric cars match up beautifully with nuclear power, since nuclear provides high baseload with less variability than coal. Since electric cars do most of their "refueling" at night when there is plenty of available baseload, it's a good solution. So there is still good reason to switch to electric - it's taking the first step, and hopefully the government/utilities will follow though with the next step
     
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    Bingo! electric cars are not the solution to the short or long term problem.

    I think it is going to have to come down to solar power. I've read that if we could harness the suns energy for 1 day we could power every car in the world for a year. which seems kind of crazy


    That's a massive if. If we had the technology and infrastructure to be able to do that, we wouldn't be driving cars anymore. We'd have already figured out teleportation.
     
  15. SladeDT

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    So... why not electric car + solar panels at the home? win win?
     
  16. Pilot

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    yeah, it's a two step problem 1. power cars with electricity 2. switch most electrical generation to nuclear Electric cars match up beautifully with nuclear power, since nuclear provides high baseload with less variability than coal. Since electric cars do most of their "refueling" at night when there is plenty of available baseload, it's a good solution. So there is still good reason to switch to electric - it's taking the first step, and hopefully the government/utilities will follow though with the next step
    Nuclear power plants take up massive amounts of resources and billions of dollars to build. How do you plan on harvesting the uranium out of mines without gasoline powered vehicles? Or what do we do in the meantime while it takes them over a decade to build a reactor?
    That's a massive if. If we had the technology and infrastructure to be able to do that, we wouldn't be driving cars anymore. We'd have already figured out teleportation.
    Of course that is a HUGE if. Just thought it was a cool bit of information.
     
  17. Steve Thomas

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    There are so many problems with electric and hybrid cars. They are a marketing ploy by the auto industry. They are not really designed to decrease dependency on oil.

    You want to put a big dent in the problem...buy a used diesel-powered vehicle and convert it to bio-diesel. Volts, Leafs, Priuses, hybrid BMWs and the like...they're just a way to pat yourself on the back.
     
  18. ComboOrgan

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    Nuclear power plants take up massive amounts of resources and billions of dollars to build. How do you plan on harvesting the uranium out of mines without gasoline powered vehicles? Or what do we do in the meantime while it takes them over a decade to build a reactor?
    I don't think you have a proper understanding of the numbers involved. The amount of energy which is extracted from uranium is so great that the energy used in extracting it from the ground is insignificant. As far as the time required to build a reactor, there's really no quicker solution. I'm quite confident that getting that same amount of power on a large scale with any other clean energy source will take longer. I don't know where "10 years" comes from. Westinghouse is building some AP1000s in China (AP1000 is their most modern plant design), and they are estimated to take around 6 years I believe. If you want, you can tack on the 3 years of regulatory BS the US currently requires, but there's no reason that can't be cut down if people stop being such rubes and realize that nuclear power isn't really scary.
     
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    Nuclear power plants take up massive amounts of resources and billions of dollars to build. How do you plan on harvesting the uranium out of mines without gasoline powered vehicles? Or what do we do in the meantime while it takes them over a decade to build a reactor?

    This is a joke right? Or do you seriously have no idea about energy density?
     
  20. Pilot

    Pilot Senior member

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    ^^^ I have no idea and I watch too many documentaries that say we are screwed.
     

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