Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by tiger02, Jun 21, 2005.
arrogant is the styleman
Not unless the boy prince moved to Quebec.
You think? I wonder if there are enough spelling errors for him to be him. Or he took night classes.
You can tell because of his ISP? Or just something he said?
Originally Posted by PHV,June 22 2005,08:19
I agree that chill out places are cool, but they are not nearly as lucrative as a well run night club. As a sidenote, since you're from LA, have you been to the Rainbow, Whisky GoGo and other hangouts like that? I've always wanted to see what those are like, seeing as some big time Cali bands made their names there.
Well, I'll Â ignore the other comments because I do think that you are treading on thin ice. Â Unfortunately, of all the provinces in Canada, I've found that Quebecois are more prone to be xenophobic and racist, although I'd expect a Montrealer to be a little more open minded. Yes, I've been to the Rainbow Room and Whiskey's and all those places. Â The Whiskey for one is *definitely* of the chilled out variety of clubs. Â Don't get me wrong, guys buy Â drinks for girls in pretty much every club (I'm not talking bars here, which are a different animal altogether), but it's not aggressive like the Century Club or Miyagi's or some meat market like that. Â At Whiskey's, there is music (sometimes), and people are buying drinks, and just generally enjoying themselves, at a table if they are lucky. Â And that place has been in business a *long* time. Even at the "now" places, like the Standard was a few years back, there was more emphasis on sitting around, chilling out, talking to girls, etc... Â A good whiskey could run you $30, easy, and definitely girls were bought drinks at about $12 bucks a shot, not including tip, but most people were sitting around the pool on pool loungers hanging out, not grinding desperately. Just saying that there are more ways to run a lucrative club than to make it a meat market - great bands, good vibe, decent beer (because people Â like beer) and liquor. Â I know plenty of chill places that have weathered the years much better than hot destination clubs that start up and then burn out,
First of all, how am I walking on thin ice? Am I the bouncers who keep black people out of clubs? No, I just go there and notice that the clubs are missing black people unless they work at a law firm or something. Again, I am making observations only. These observations are precisely the same at many places in New York City. I'm sorry, but there are no gang bangers at the Marquee Club. Second of all, where do you get your information from? I am not a Quebecer, but I do live here and probably know a whole lot more of them than you do. I see no more xenophobia and racism here as I did in the other two provinces that I have lived in; Alberta and Ontario. So please, if you want to sling accusatory remarks like that, substantiate them Harvard Boy.
Okay, I posted the reply to PHV in good faith, and hadn't read the later replies; but once people start getting rascist and get into calling other guys homosexuals, I lock the thread. Sorry tiger02, I know this has nothing to do with you. I will start another thread with the original post, not post my ideas on it, and will delete any post that is even semi-objectionable. I'm sick of this crap.
Okay, j. can unlock the topic if he wants to. As for my comments about xenophobia and racism in Quebec, any Canadian will remember these words: "Money and the Ethnic vote."
I'll unlock it, hoping we can get some actual discussion on the subject here. I'm watching this topic. Lay off the fighting, everyone. Sorry Tom.
I don't want to feed any racist feelings, i'm going to live in an Arab country for the next couple of years. But I can see it in Amsterdam too that a lot of bouncers refuse Arabs at the door. I think it is mainly because they don't buy expensive drinks as most of them don't drink alcohol.
But a good bouncer is a must, preferably not one of those huge scary guys but a few normal guys with a relaxed attitude.
Personally I'd like clubs where there is also a place with seats/tables and service at the table. I wouldn't mind paying more if I dont have to stand in line at the bar.
j, is this thread my punishment for not driving up the bidding on those uniqlo jeans? If so I'll go to $51.27 Right now I'm more in the market for something like LA Guy is talking about...mostly. With all the different responses, I'm starting to wonder if by trying to be all things to all people, we're just going to confuse them and keep them away. Example, people who are looking for a danceclub aren't going to think of a place that has a lounge right inside the door as their first choice. Thoughts? On my way out so I'll have to digest this all and write more later. Tom
Rule in Life, personal and professional:
One cannot be everything to everyone. If you try to be you are destined to be a Jack of all trades and master of none. In personal life its ok to be a JOAT. In business embracing that philosophy is the beginning of the end.
Wrong... some of the best dance clubs have lounge areas. Some places like La Boom have five different rooms, all with different music. There's a lot of possibilities... honestly, just spend two weeks in Montreal and go clubbing. You'll learn everything you need to know.
Re: "hip hop night" sounding "extremely pedestrian and amateur," I actually completely agree but don't have any other way to refer to it right now. When you've got a salsa band one night, a trance dj the next, and a hip hop lyricist on the third, then I'm stuck batting around terms like salsa night and hip hop night. All advertising would refer to the acts themselves, not the theme.
Heh, no NFL banners, no Bud Light banners. I'd rather have a circus clown walking on his hands tending the bar than a sign that says BUD LIGHT IS SOOO COOL WE NEED MORE STRIPED SHIRT GUYS.....
BTW it's a lot easier for a guy to buy a $900 bottle of Cristal for a group of girls if he's actually able to sit down and talk to them. I'm just sayin'...
Don't get me wrong I love the thought of being able to go hit up Montreal, but my free time is limited. I can go to Amsterdam for a night but coming to this side of the pond takes some major planning and prioritizing.
For general interest, some more big-picture stuff. Our mid-range goal is to expand pretty quickly, both in Tampa and into other markets. Again, because most of our experience is in management, and at an unusually high level for mid-20s guys. Yes I understand the amount of work each one is going to take, but if nothing else I've learned how to bust ass 24/7 for a year at a time. The most exciting part of this for me is making it look like an entertainment business rather than a nightclub. Logistical reinforcement between locations, a measure of vertical integration, employee benefits...actually pretty similar to Virgin, which I didn't know much about until getting into Richard Branson's autobiography. Running a 'chain' of clubs would alleviate some of the discussion about meat market vs lounge, since people like to visit multiple places in a night anyway. If I can get, say, two out of five stops that the average person makes in a night, then I'm doing pretty well. Technology is going to be big, if I can make it work, especially RFID.
That actually brings on another question. Club charges you an extra $5 cover on your first visit, you get a leather wristband or something in return. Chip in the wristband lets you keep a tab, or pay monthly online, or link to a credit card and pay as you go, the possibilities are endless. Appealing or no?
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