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Nigel Cabourn

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Fuuma, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. irbe

    irbe Senior member

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    Anybody comment on the quality of their stuff? Where is the stuff made?
     
  2. volatile

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    Not sure - I ordered a couple of shirts and a mechanic jumper and will let you know... In interviews and press releases and on blogs, they say that their stuff is "locally produced wherever possible", so most seems to be UK-designed and UK-made. (http://www.selectism.com/2012/07/11/selectims-qa-ketisn-common-people/; http://www.thetweedpig.com/2012/11/common-people-clothing.html; http://www.arkiveclothing.co.uk/blog/277_CommonPeopleClothing-AW12.html).
     
  3. ManofKent

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    It's nearly all (bar shoes) made in the UK, but tweed is typically Italian rather than English.

    Quality of construction is good, materials are decent but not up to Cabourn stuff (but not the price tag either). Not dis-similar to Cro'Jack.

    I've ordered a pair of trousers, field shirt and jacket from the sales. Jacket sizing seems a bit variable...

    Some pieces are perhaps a little too similar to Cabourn, although not to the degree I'd call them rip-offs, and other pieces are definitely Junya influenced. Whilst there are only so many ways of tweaking heritage pieces hopefully he'll find a more distinctive style over time.
     
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  4. ManofKent

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    Coggles have an extra 30% off their remaining sale stock (Extra30) - it brings the white Bowers coats down to a decent price, but much as I like them I don't think I'd wear a white coat often enough.
     
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    Well, looks like I'll be selling the 48 instead of the 50. The 50 fits me large and the 48 fits too small. So, I'm going with the 50. Will post the 48 up for sale. So, basically, brand new US Clip in Navy size 48.
     
  6. HarrisTweed

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    I cannot help but disagree with the claims made by Common People. I have it on good authority that Kestin Hare was never head of design at Nigel Cabourn, as we all know Nigel Cabourn has always been head of design. Common People is riding the coat tails of heritage as a result of not having any. The name of the brand says it all
     
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    Really interesting reading and I'm coming into this discussion quite late having just joined the forum but agree with lots being said about the copying of the Cameraman jacket. And I was angry when I saw the H&M blatant ripoff copy for a number of reasons.

    Firstly The Cameraman is Nigel Cabourn's most iconic item of clothing in the Authentic range - it is from what I know a completely original design not a recreation of an old garment like his Cold Weather Parka or the Antarctic/Everest Parka.

    There was some spurious schpeel on a shop web site that said that the 'Cameraman Jacket was a painstaking recreation of a jacket worn by Wilfred Noyce who was the cameraman for the 1953 expedition to ascend Everest' or words to that effect.

    This I think is complete rubbish on a number of grounds: - Wilfred Noyce wasn't 'The Cameraman' he was probably Britain's most talented climber at the time and was in charge of stores and boot repairs and i think the first to get to the South Col in the expedition.

    Also if you check the history of the Jacket there is a film on youtube which interviews Nigel during the exhibition he did in Newcastle in 2003 where he shows a horizontal glass display cabinet as part of his exhibition showing how he got the inspiration for his design - it shows an army type smock folded back on itself so just the upper half part is showing and this is laid onto the bottom half of a field coat with pockets on the outside giving the overall look of what we know today as his 'Cameraman jacket'.

    It was common for explorers and cameramen to have pockets on the outside of a heavy garment so that delicate items such as lenses etc weren't damaged against the body hence the name.

    The jacket was attributed to Wilfred Noyce in the Accent of Cabourn collection in honour of a remarkably talented climber and member of the team and certainly a man who might have worn a coat of this type.

    So this is the first reason why the H&M copy makes me angry - it blatantly rips off the whole authenticity of design and heritage of inspiration

    Second Reason

    The Cameraman jacket is a high value, very limited production, high quality garment entirely made in England with fabrics entirely made in Britain. It was designed by a British designer who contributes enormously to British design and manufacturing. It uses authentic British fabrics and processes like
    Macintosh and Tweed (Irish linen and beeswax cotton for SS versions) with all its history and keeps these small quality production techniques alive and relevant. It is inspired by one of England's greatest climbers Wilfred Noyce - need i go on

    So H&M come along and think they can RIP ALL THIS OFF and make a copycat garment made in China and sell it for £50!!!!!!!!!

    Its only a hunch but I think Nigel Cabourn is too old and wise to get remotely annoyed - maybe I'm the only one who is really angry, although I sensed Nigel's right hand man, Drew, was pretty annoyed from a tweet some days ago already mentioned on the forum.
     
  8. ManofKent

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    You weren't by any chance turned down for a job with them?

    I can't see why he would make an easily disprovable claim about his previous employment. Whilst Nigel does most of the design work, I'm fairly sure he doesn't do it all himself. Newly formed companies don't generally have much heritage - I don't think they're trying to pretend to be a long established company. I think you'll find the brand name preceeded their venture into clothing when they just made shoes - I suspect it is a reference to the Pulp song.

    No Common People doesn't produce clothing of the quality of construction or design that Nigel Cabourn does, and I suspect their target market has less disposable income. I don't see that appreciating both whilst recognizing that they're different is a problem.
     
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    The article doesn't give his job title, he could have been both :)

    I'm not sure his actual job description is that relevant - Cabourn has always been a small team, so anyone working there would be working closely with Nigel and learning a lot.
     
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    He does certainly seem respectful and gives Nigel credit for teaching him all he knows...

    Just comes out a little wrong on his website, in my opinion.
     
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    I would never venture a career with Common People

    I agree, learning from someone is the best way to grow, especially as a designer, but he is clearly copying what Nigel Cabourn is doing
     
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    Amusing.... no, most certainly not

    Head of design is head of design... working closely with someone is a Design Assistant
     
  15. ManofKent

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    I didn't read it as boastful, but yes he's using Nigel's name to help start the business. As you say he comes across in interviews as respectful of Nigel and from what I can gather they're friends.

    Anyway, before I move away from Common People and back to Cabourn, a Norfolk Jacket arrived in the post today and I'm glad I went XL - it's just large enough over a shirt, but no room for layering - for comparison in a Cabourn 52 Cameraman or Double breasted coat I can easily wear a thick sweater.
     
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    nixda: I think I will try to find a 50, seems like it's a better size for me. But good luck with the sale.
     
  18. nixda

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    cool. thanks!
     
  19. Mr. Moo

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    Two really inexpensive Nigel vests on LNCC's final sale...
     

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